Ragamuffin Mailing List Site: Ragamuffin Archive Site: This post posted 03 September 2001 ------- start of Ragamuffin List digest (288 messages) ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:04:19 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Are we there yet? Due to some technical problems, the ragamuffin list has been off- line for a bit here, but I think we're back. A note for anyone who unsubscribed in the last week or so--I'm sorry, but it probably didn't take (especially if you're reading this). Please try unsubscribing again. For the rest of you, welcome back for those few days before Legacy Fest! Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:26:29 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/05/01 "...[Boy Like Me, Man Like You] was kind of inspired by a number of things. But I always hate to say 'inspired' because people always talk about how the scriptures are inspired and how songs are inspired and everyone always wants to play you these songs that the Lord gave them and I always think, 'You know what? You're not that lucky, if I wrote a song that bad I'd want to give it away too.' (laughs) I don't generally believe that God gives us songs. I don't think music is inspired in the same sense as the scriptures are inspired, the scriptures are the very breath of God and that they're authoritative, that for all people at all times the scriptures are true. I think that songs are more provoked than inspired. And that whatever you say in a song is hopefully very honest about your own experience of God. But its not authoritative, its not divinely inspired in the sense that the scriptures are. And if I thought it was divinely inspired I would not take it to my publishers, I would take it to the American Bible Society and have them canonize it, and then it would be binding like Jeremiah is binding..." Source: The September 15, 1990 True Tunes concert transcript - found at www.geoffhorton.com/wheaton.htm. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:13:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] The Luxury of Legacy Fest Hey Ragamuffins, Have a great time at the Legacy Fest! My journey with the Lord is taking new shape. My wife is going to nursing school this fall and my heart is being shaped, by the Lord and my pastor, to work towards ministry of some-sort-yet-to-be-determined. So we are moving into an economic collapse of sorts....selling things....hanging on to the Lord. It is a good change but difficult nonetheless after a period of free and easy spending, what the Americans call "the good life". Well, I got newz fer yewz! It ain't the good life. The way, the Truth and the Life is Jesus Christ and we are about to throw all the Americanized garbage we have learned here-to-fore to the wind and throw it all on Him. A scary move for me personally, but a great one (I know this in my heart and head). So.....going to Legacy Fest, taking time from work is only a fantasy anymore. Have a great time and remember that what you are enjoying is a luxury in life, a blessing of the Lo rd, not a right....like buying a CD, typing into a computer, talking on the phone....these are all things we have come to accept as necessities, but they are in fact, luxuries. Please put Rhoda and I in your prayers. Peace of Jesus Christ to you, David Banta ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:13:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Are we there yet? As usual, Geoff, we owe you a great debt of gratitude for all the work you do to keep this list operational *and* especially for the work you do when it's not! Happy to be connected again, Sprinkle ------- From: "rholling" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:39:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] The Luxury of Legacy Fest David: What a wonderful message about your life and your future plans ... even though some are yet unknown. I loved one phrase in your message, which described selling things and hanging on to the Lord. He must be delighted with you and your wife. You and Rhoda will be in my prayers. Keep us posted. Ruth ------- From: FraSha@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:18:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] The Luxury of Legacy Fest In a message dated 8/5/01 12:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, THEBANTAFAMILY@peoplepc.com writes: > Have a great time and remember that what you are enjoying is a luxury in > life, a blessing of the Lo > rd, not a right....like buying a CD, typing into a computer, talking on the > phone....these are all > things we have come to accept as necessities, but they are in fact, > luxuries. > > David, Thanks for the needed reminder, that this festival is an over-and-above blessing, a gift. May we be mindful and thankful for the lavish grace that God bestows on us, but may we hold these temporal blessings loosely. Sharon F. ------- From: Karla Moll Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:05:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] prayer request (Guess the list was down when I originally sent this, so I'm sending it though again. Thanks, Geoff, for getting things up and running!) Thanks to everyone who prayed for my brother-in-law, Bob, who had surgery on Monday. I haven't talked with him yet, but other family members tell me that the surgery went better than they expected. I'm not exactly sure what the surgeons needed to do, but I'm told that it wasn't as much as what they had anticipated- which is good news!! Bob is still in alot of pain, and it will take him awhile to recuperate, he won't be able to drive or work for 10-12 weeks. They will also have to determine the best way to manage the pain that he will likely continue to have in the best (hopefully, non-narcotic) way possible. So many, many thanks for your prayers. I know it made a difference! Raghugs to you all, Karla (in what was rainy Wisconsin when I originally tried to post this, but now is just extremely HOT and humid!) ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:50:24 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/06/01 Kathy: You have a new project out in the fall, I've heard a lot of working titles for it--Songs, Too Many Chiefs and not Enough Native Americans, Quotin' Deuteronomy to the Devil--what in the world are you going to call this thing? Rich: [Laughter] Believe it or not, we're just gonna name it after one of the songs, "Brother's Keeper." We took a different approach in this album and it was great--and scary. The album is very--well--raw. We didn't worry as much about being eloquent or poetic as getting real things said in real ways. I have a lot of good memories about the writing of this project... Most of it was written on Beaker's [Rich's partner] porch or in my teepee or Les and Kay Arvin's farm outside Wichita. It's family oriented; two of the band members became fathers during the writing and two of the songs are about those children. Three of the band members' wives sang on the project, and all of that together made for a different and somehow more grounded feeling to "Brother's Keeper." I'm looking forward to touring the project this fall. Kathy: Yet another of the "this-is-the-last-time-we-swear-it Rich Mullins tours?" There have been a few... Rich: [Harder laughter] We could call it the "Yet Another Rich Mullins Farewell Tour--#5 In a Series of 10." Kathy: You are leaving Wichita and I know you have loved living here. What do you love most? What will be the hardest to leave? Rich: ... I guess for me personally, the greatest part about the time I've been here in Wichita is that there was a whole group of people here who knew me for exactly who I am and still accepted me and loved me. There are two very important things you can say to special people in your life--it should be engraved on my tombstone: forgive me, and thank you. Source: The May '95 article entitled "From Nashville to Wichita to New Mexico...Step By Step," by Kathy Sanders, in The Lighthouse Electronic Magazine. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:28:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/06/01 Robin, Wow! I had completely forgotten about that interview! I did it with Richard for the Light 99FM newspaper right before he left for the res! (my radio air name for 5 years was Kathy Sanders) The entire interview is somewhere on COYN, I think-Richard was really *on* that day, so it's well worth a read, except for the embarassing fact that the newspaper proof reader in Chicago spelled Navajo "Navahoe" ...sheesh! Once again, Robin, thanks for the memories! Under the Mercy, Sprinkle ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:28:15 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Dear Ragga-Folks, Our friend Christine is going in this week for another round of Chemo. She is starting loose her hair, she can pull it out in clumps and debating about shaving it all off. She still is having a positive outlook. Please continue to pray. Juli & Greg ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:43:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/06/01 >I had completely forgotten about that interview! I did it with > Richard for the Light 99FM newspaper right before he left for the res!...The entire interview is > somewhere on COYN, I was going to put the address down as part of the source. But, the link on COYN takes you to nothing but advertisements. > I think-Richard was really *on* that day, so it's well > worth a read, except for the embarassing fact that the newspaper proof reader > in Chicago spelled Navajo "Navahoe" ...sheesh! I can handle the wrong spelling. What's hard for me to handle is the length (or should I say...SHORTNESS) of it. It's just typical of "Rich-related" things....NEVER ENOUGH!!! :) (I'm sooooooo American. I want MORE!!! I WANT MORE!!!) But, the shortness of it is a benefit to you. It's short enough that I can use the rest of it for today's Rich Quote (since I'm behind and haven't done it yet). > Once again, Robin, thanks for the memories! You're so welcome. And thank YOU for the memories that you share with us. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:43:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/07/01 Like most of you, I distinctly remember the first time I heard a Rich Mullins song; it was almost 20 years ago. August 19, 1975, the first night of Freshman Orientation at Cincinnati Bible College, I sat in the midst of over 100 other people who felt as scared and alone as I when the concert began. A rather shaggy looking character, just 18 years old, with torn jeans (against the dress code) and bare feet (Heavens!) sat down at a rickety piano and spun tales of faith and wonder with music that I knew even then called for a much wider audience. Mullins and I became friends first and later "family" throughout nearly 2 decades of teaching, working, and laughing together--through the thousands of miles on the road that eventually led 5 of us to Wichita over 6 years ago. Later this month [May '95] Mullins will leave Wichita for New Mexico. In the midst of the chaos we both call our lives, we sat down to a legitimate interview about the changes that are coming in his life and why he finds it difficult to leave this river city. We settled down on the floor of my office to get serious. Kathy: Why teach? And why teach music? And why teach music to Navaho children? [I fixed the spelling just for you, Kathy. :)] Rich: I am a teacher. It's who I am, the calling that God built into me. And our calling defines both who we are and what we do. I come from a long line of teachers--my granddad and others in my family. Even though my dad was not a formal teacher, teaching was still a large part of who he was and continues in me. I want to teach music because I love people more than music, but I know the power of music. I know that all people, especially kids, can win at music. Life lessons are learned in music...it's like all the practicing musicians do, most of practice involves being willing to fail. When you have finally made all the mistakes you can, you succeed! You can't do anything else but succeed! Music is powerful; people--even those who think they can't sing--respond to music. I want to pass that on to young people. They'll be surrounded by music all their lives, I'd like to open the doors of good music to them--teach them to listen with some discernment. Kathy: And the Navahos? Rich: They first interested me because they are a shepherding people. So much of the Bible was written to or from people who were a part of that life. It's a culture I want to learn to know. Also, I'm nearly 40 and still single. You know, there is little point in being single if you don't take advantage of some of the more positive points of singleness, like being able to move to a remote place to teach. And I don't want to wake up old someday never knowing anything about life other than living in middle class America. ...[The rest of the interview is what I used for yesterday's quote, but I left a little of it out. Here's the part I left out (along with a little bit that I left in - just 'cause it's so great).]... Kathy: You are leaving Wichita and I know you have loved living here. What do you love most? What will be the hardest to leave? Rich: First of all, I love Friends University and Central Christian Church--what great places. I love the political action in this city. I love the people that are willing to debate hard issues and that the Church in Wichita is willing to take difficult stands. I have been so impressed with the ways that churches cooperate and that people like Doris Howard and High School Ministry Network can help bring down denominational and racial walls with things like Locker 2 Locker--those issues just didn't matter then. It's also incredible to live in a city that has a radio station like Light 99 FM and see the good it brings to the whole Christian community. There are a lot of people doing quietly amazing things in this city. But, I guess for me personally, the greatest part about the time I've been here in Wichita is that there was a whole group of people here who knew me for exactly who I am and still accepted me and loved me. There are two very important things you can say to special people in your life--it should be engraved on my tombstone: forgive me and thank you. Source: The May '95 article entitled "From Nashville to Wichita to New Mexico...Step By Step," by Kathy Sanders, in The Lighthouse Electronic Magazine. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:43:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] please pray. Hello out their. this is the miller.(Greg,Juli,Johnnie and Hannah.) We are in need of some prayers. Last night I was listening to hold me Jesus and it comforted my soil. The outside stress the world dumps on us sometimes seems unbearable. Juli is looking for guidance in the job situation. She is feeling lead to move on. with me (Greg) because of people on vacations I'm having to work 12 hour days 5 days a week. It takes 1/2 hour to get their and juli and I work opposite shift so I get to se my wife oh about a 1 hour a day. also were getting a new ticketing system at work so there is training there. I hade to work last Sunday. one less day with them. so the stress and pressure is up but with god's grace we'll be ok. god bless the miller's 1 john 5 :> ------- From: "rholling" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:19:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] please pray. Greg: You and your family will be in my prayers. May God resolve your problems in a glorious way. He may have some wonderful surprises for you! We do not need much time in order to love God, to renew ourselves in His presence, to life up our hearts toward Him, to worship Him in the depths of our hearts, to offer Him what we do and what we suffer .... Fenelon It is good for me to draw near to God ... Psalm 73:28 Ruth ------- From: Sharon S Wall Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:28:06 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] favorite worship songs 8/7/01 Here is the list of our favorite worship songs...I began this weeks ago...before Geoff went on vacation. I've already posted to St. Frank, but I wanted to also post it here since this was a "Ragamuffin List" project to start with. Thanks to all who sent in their songs...I've really enjoyed reading your posts! In Christ, Sharon Kelli Paslawski Victory In Jesus, Trust and Obey Cathie Silva Shout to the Lord Jen Guyer I can sing of Your Love Forever, Sometimes by Step (or Step by Step) What a Mighty God We Serve Linda Welz Be Thou My Vision, Good to Me Jean Greene The Old Rugged Cross, In the Garden, God of Wonders (Third Day), Your Love Oh Lord (Third Day), Amazing Grace, Kumbaya, It Is Well With My Soul, Holy Holy Holy, Were You There?, Amen, There Is None Like You, Be Thou My Vision, I Love You Lord, I Surrender All, Open the Eyes of My Heart, Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus, Celebrate Jesus Celebrate (bring your tambourines!!!). Jenny Fredette Better is One Day, Breathe (this is the air I breathe.. your holy presence living in me) America,To Speak Your Name,You are my Hiding Place, Knowing You Jesus (holy and annointed One), Be Unto Your Name (on Millennium worship - this one is awesome!) Oh Jah let God arise, Lord Most High, Lord, Reign in me Awesome God, Step by Step, Holy Roar (on passion!!!! you must hear this) We Fall Down, Let everything that has breath praise the Lord You are worthy of my praise, We are Hungry Robin Woodson All Honor, Ancient of Days ,Come, Now is the Time to Worship Cry of my Heart, Good to Me, Hear our Praises He Reigns, Holy is the Lord, I Love You, Lord I See the Lord, I Shall Not Be Moved, It is my Desire I Will Trust in You, King of Kings, Lord, I Want to Know You More Lord, Your Name is Holy, My Redeemer Lives, The Potter's Hand The Power of Your Love, Shout to the Lord Sharon Wall I See The Lord, I Bow My Knee, Ancient of Days, Be Unto Your Name, Worthy, Be Exalted (oh God, above the heavens) Glory to the King, Lord I Lift Your Name on High, Eagle's Wings, Potter's Hand Paula Clouse Be Thou My Vision, Shout to the Lord Shine Jesus Shine, It is Well With My Soul Danl Blackwood Be Thou My Vision, Shout to the Lord Step By Step, It is Well With My Soul, The Battle Belongs to the Lord ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:54:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest There'll be a temporary pause for Legacy Fest. Letting the QOTD and prayer requests go through is a glitch I haven't quite resolved, so I'm afraid we'll be without them for a bit. Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Travel Mercies Prayers Dearest Raga-Family, As much as I'm sure *all* of us wish we could be in attendance at Legacy Fest '01, it's a sad *sob, sniffle, wail* :) fact that many of us aren't able to attend this year. Please join me in praying for those who are Wichita-bound for the Fest (they are known as the "blessed ones" hehe :)). Some left this morning, and others will be leaving later today/this evening, and others tomorrow. I'm sure they would appreciate our prayers. Dear Heavenly Father, We join our hearts together in asking You to bless our brothers and sisters who are going to Legacy Fest this year. Please surround them with Your strong presence to keep them securely safe as they travel, whether by car or by plane. Keep them and those whom they leave behind at home (family *and* pets) in perfect safety in every conceivable way. Please grant them Happy and Stress-free travel, and Joy in the Journey. May each of them experience Your loving gaze being fixed intently upon them, and may they be blessed with excellent health in body, mind, and spirit. Please help them to endure the heat and humidity in Wichita (and on the way there). And most of all, dearest Daddy, we ask You to bless them and to bless all who will be at the Fest, with Joy, Gladness, and Peace. May this truly be a time for them of being re-created in You. Thank You for hearing and answering our prayers. Amen. ~Chris Count It All Joy! ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/06/01 Ooops, that's my fault. I've been doing a dismal job at keeping COYN up to date lately. But I'm working behind the scenes on fixing some of the broken links -- you should see everything fixed by this weekend. *Brian Brian William (brian@kidbrothers.net) Calling Out Your Name -- A Tribute to the Music and Message of Rich Mullins http://www.kidbrothers.net > I was going to put the address down as part of the source. But, the > link on COYN takes you to nothing but advertisements. ------- From: "Judi Lemay-Lusk" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] favorite music Since Sharon was nice enough to compile a list of some of our favorite music, I'd like to put in a shameless plug for some music I just can't seem to get enough of! Our church does a lot of music by PDI, they used to be called People of Destiny, International. Their music is upbeat, thoughtful and worshipful, with words and theology behind it that are rock solid. They have a website, if anyone is interested, I'm not sure what it is exactly, but you could begin with PDI :-) Also.. Revival in Belfast by Robin Marks. If you don't have it.. well, why not ?! :-) Don't just sit there, go get it :-))) It's just great!! judi ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/08/01 "A lot of times we think something spiritual is happening and it is merely aesthetics. That is why it always bugs me at the end of a concert someone will say, 'Wow the Spirit really worked' and I kind of go, 'How would you even be able to know that? It was so noisy in here tonight. How would you know if the Spirit was working?' 'Well, I was really moved.' Well, that is an emotional thing. That's not a spiritual thing. A spiritual thing is folding your clothes at the end of the day. A spiritual thing is making your bed. A spiritual thing is taking cookies to your neighbor that is shut in or raking their front lawn because they are too old to do it. That's spirituality. Getting a warm, oozy feeling about God is an emotional thing. There is nothing wrong with it. I think there is nothing more practical than real spirituality. But nothing more fun than just a good heartfelt emotional experience of God because I think emotions are good. They are only dangerous when we come away from an experience where we were emotionally manipulated and we confuse that with being convicted. I think conviction - there is an emotion that accompanies that but it certainly goes deeper than just coming away going, 'Oh isn't God neat? Two different worlds.'" Source: 20: The Countdown Magazine Remembers Rich Mullins (October 11, 1997) - www.kidbrothers.net/rmml/rmml189.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From:  . .webmaster@brokenwalls.com (Broken Walls) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:57:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Broken Walls Canceled This is really too bad. This guy's music is awesome. When we talked with him in March, he was so happy to be doing Legacy this year. God knows best though! From:Ê Ê webmaster@brokenwalls.com (Broken Walls) To:Ê Ê newsletter@brokenwalls.com (The Warrior's Cry) There has been a cancellation of the conference in Cincinnati of which we were planning to be a part.Ê This event will not take place.Ê In turn this has made it impossible for Broken Walls to be in Wichita for the Legacy Fest that will be taking place at the end of this week.Ê The Legacy Fest event has not been cancelled, but we will no longer be attending or participating in it. We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause to anyone planning to attend those events. This all seems to be a part of God's divine plan, however, as now we can be a part of a large local pow-wow directly across the road from our office here in Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory, Ontario on August 11-12th.Ê We were already providing the sound system for this very traditional event and had not been welcomed to be a part of anything else.Ê God has been working on the heart of the organizer of this pow-wow in the meantime and we have recently found favor with her.Ê We have now been welcomed to join a special lunch and dinner and have a feeling that we'll be playing at some time during the two day pow-wow.Ê We have told the organizer that we just want to be of service in any way we can and are willing to help out where ever they need us.Ê Please pray that we will be used greatly by God and be a good witness of Jesus and that, "they will know us by our love." "I like getting into hot water. It keeps me clean." G.K. Chesterton ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:58:22 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Our Friend Christine Dear Faithful Raga-folks, We received this note from Christine's friend Cindy. Thank you for your continued support for Christine and her family. Ryan, (age 9) is doing well, he has had a busy schedule this summer and seems to be "ok" with mom being sick. Kevin, (age 4) is struggling and acting out. He is a sharp little boy, but it's had to know if he really understands what's going on. Pray for them as well as Harry, (her husband) as he is throwing himself into his work and trying to help as much as possible. Christine's sister-in-law has been there from Michigan and is very sweet and helpful. Thanks again for all your prayers and for the wonderful support through the Inter-net. Love in Christ, Cindy ------- From: Hoperunners@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:58:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] The Luxury of Legacy Fest David, I will definitely be praying for you and Rhoda. It sounds like God's taking the four couners of your life and shaking you loose and shaking you free. Hold on tight to the Savior my friend. Let us know an update on how things are. Love, In Christ, Your Sis, Joy ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:41:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] The Luxury of Legacy Fest > I will definitely be praying for you and Rhoda. It sounds like God's taking > the four couners of your life and shaking you loose and shaking you free. > Hold on tight to the Savior my friend. > > Let us know an update on how things are. > > Love, In Christ, Your Sis, > Joy Joy, Thank you for your encouragement. It is a lot of fun and pretty darned exciting to give your life to the Lord to be shaped and used and to watch Him move. I have no idea where we are going and I am trying to keep from shaping it myself (something I tend to do). Both Rhoda and I are waiting and watching and moving where we see the Lord move. Just today, an article appeared in the local paper that said that a member of our church I know is the enrollment director at Reformed Bible College, one of two colleges I had been considering to audit a theology course. The choice seemed obvious then. Today, Rhoda and I ministered to a couple over lunch at our house. The husband had been busted for using a prostitute and the wife was angry and hurt deeply. My wife invited them over after church. They just started going to our church. He is a truck driver that drives for the same trucking company I work for. During the service a prostitute got up and gave testimony about how Jesus had delivered her from drugs and prostitution! The wife got up and walked out of church! On the way home (driving there alone cause I had collection duties), I was praying to the Lord to give me the Scripture and the words to share with them to ease their pain and help them. He did as He always does. It went well. They left our home a little more committed to each other and the Lord, knowing that we would be praying for their marriage and the healing of their wounds. They are going to be a part of our Weakare Group, a church care group. The mysterious purpose of the prostitute in church seemed more clear to me: to bring all of the wife's feelings to the surface; her anger and pain, and to put a face on a prostitute as a person, a child of God. The love of God is deep and beautiful. He loves us and wants to know us deeply and wholely (is that a word?). We have no idea how much the Lord really loves us. Each of us gets so wrapped up in nit picky pettiness that goes on, that we forget why we are even here. We are here to glorify Him and bring Him renown, to spread the Gospel! All the other stuff is just stuff! God is good alllllllllllllllll the time! Glory to the Lord, David Banta ------- From: ""0000, 0000@host.linux4ua.com, "8000\"Christine Adler\" <" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Reply-To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ragamuffin-L-request@geoffhorton.com To: From: "Christine Adler" Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:01:32 -0500 Send reply to: stfrank@yahoogroups.com Subject: [stfrank] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/12/01 [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Hello old friends There's really nothing new to say But the old, old story bears repeating And the plain old truth grows dearer every day When you find something worth believing Well, that's a joy that nothin' could take away And so we meet again After all these many years Did we sow the seeds we're reaping Now that the harvest calls us here It seems that love blooms out of season And much joy can blossom from many tears Source: A portion of song lyrics to "Hello Old Friends." (Scripture references: Phil. 1:3-8, I Samuel 20:42-42.) Entire lyrics at www.kidbrothers.net/wabairi2.html#hof. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. "...Where the sacred rivers meet beneath the shadow of the Keeper of the Plains..." ~Rich Mullins Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:57:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/11/01 He drives around town in a 1966 bright red Chevy pick-up he's dubbed "Ruby". Today, the outside is spotless. Inside, well...let's just say, you're lucky to have a few Diet Coke cans roll out when you open the door. There are pieces of his days strewn across the seat--a few pens, books and papers. A gym bag tossed in for good measure; some cassettes and a raft of sheet music. The spare tire lying in the back is flat. If I was more of an archeologist I could probably read Rich Mullins' whole life in this truck. But then again, there isn't much left to dig up on Rich Mullins. He pretty much lives his life out in the open and is painfully honest and up-front as any friend, colleague or fly-by-night interviewer could tell you. If he has any secrets, you'd never know it talking to him. The proverbial open book, he flits easily between thoughts about his life, his fears, his music, his politics, his friends, his loves, and his aggravations--it's usually open season on anything...anytime, anywhere. Today his conversation centers around a not-so-new revelation in his life. "It seems," he confesses, "that I always am and always have been an outsider. I've never really fit in." As he says this, a car rolls by, honking, with a friend frantically waving. Two minutes later, the scene repeats. It would seem that "fitting in" in hometown Wichita hasn't been a problem. As he turns the corner nearing home, though, I'm beginning to see how this man really is a study in contrasts. At thirty-eight years old he still sometimes seems like ten, with a boyish giggle and disarmingly impish grin. Almost everything seems to hold a child-like wonder through his eyes. Other times...he's old beyond his years--a tad cynical, a little burnt-out and worldly-wise. He does a marvelous impersonation of a classic red neck. Sometimes, though, it's more frightening that it is funny. His attic apartment is surprisingly neat - and modest. A guitar and dulcimer lean against one wall, some low, crammed bookcases sit under a window that overlooks an Anytown America suburban neighborhood; deep blue walls with some scattered Indian art and a white gabled ceiling envelope a decidedly small living space. You probably wouldn't guess that this was the home of one of Christian music's most successful song-writers (remember, he penned Amy's mega-hit, "Sing Your Praise To The Lord," along with "Doubly Good To You" and "Love Of Another Kind") or the working abode of the artist who's brought us "Awesome God," "Sometimes By Step," "My One Thing" and over seventy other tunes that are indelibly etched in Christian music's short history. I don't suppose I expected a guy like Rich to live in a posh penthouse kinda place, but still, it was a striking scene. You just don't always expect someone to live as simply as they sing. You just don't always expect to come face-to-face with the real thing... Source: The article entitled "Sometimes By Step," by Roberta Croteau, on pp. 7-9 of the _ReleasExtra presents Rich Mullins_ tour booklet. You may read it in its entirety at www.kidbrothers.net/release/extra1.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:57:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/10/01 I can see some traveler's footprints There's a little bit of blood in every step he made I wonder what kind of burden he's bearing That has cut him so deeply every step along the long, long way In the west I see an evening This scarlet thread stretched beneath the gathering dark Red as the blood on the hands of the Savior And rich as the mercy that flowed from His broken heart... ...These men of violence, they have made this a world full of wars Oh God break Your silence and let Your justice shine forth Show some mercy, Oh Lord 'Cause I can see a people dispossessed Broken and brave in the face of so much fear Driven from their homes by the greed of a nation Whose treaties were as good as litter Along the trail of their tears I can see the Covenant colors The sun and the rain have woven against the blue of the sky And I know if we live we will live by His promise I know He who made it and And I'm sure that He would not lie And I can hear the wild wind howling And I can feel it in my bones And I know that the howling will take me home Source: A portion of song lyrics to "The Howling," written by Rich Mullins and Beaker. (Scripture references: Psalm 69, Romans 8:18-22, Genesis 4:10, Isaiah 62:1.) Entire lyrics at www.kidbrothers.net/wabairi1.html#th. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:57:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/09/01 Maybe she could come to Wichita And maybe we could borrow Beaker's bike We'd let the road wind tie our hair in knots Let the speed and the freedom untangle the lies Maybe fear can vanish before love Oh God, don't let this love be denied 'Cause I know the river is deep I found out that the currents are tricky And I know that the river is wide And oh, the currents are strong And I could lose every dream I dreamt that I could carry with me Oh, but I will reach the other side Please don't let me have to wait too long Another hour deeper in the night Another mile farther down the road We could be closer than you know Source: A portion of song lyrics to "The River". (Scripture reference: Song of Solomon 4:8-9.) Entire lyrics at www.kidbrothers.net/wabairi1.html#tr. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:56:07 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey Good morning Ragamuffins, I just was curious to know how many of us are out there who are over 30, single, and never been married? As you well know, Rich never got married and he was 41 when the Lord took him. I was curious to know how you have managed your singleness. It seemed to only bother Rich between 1 and 5 in the morning. Is keeping your self occupied with the Lord's work the answer? I happen to be a member of a church where the majority of the members are single and quite a few are over 30. If it weren't for these precious friendships, I would probably go berserk. I still desire to get married someday. Please pray for me as I seek to find ways to mature these friendships and if it is the Lords will, that he will grant me a loving wife from one of these precious ladies. I would love to hear your stories of how you have hung in there. One last thing..why do we not have any Christian artist like Rich who can minister well to singles? It seems like most of the single artists like Bebo Norman d! o ! not seem to take joy in their singleness or at least do not express it or encourage others in concert. If you know of another artist that ministered to singles like Rich, please let me know. Be God's Rags, Rick ------- From: Sharon S Wall Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] favorite music Judi wrote: > Since Sharon was nice enough to compile a list of some of our > favorite > music, I'd like to put in a shameless plug for some music I just > can't seem > to get enough of! > Also.. Revival in Belfast by Robin Marks. If you don't have it.. > well, why > not ?! :-) Don't just sit there, go get it :-))) It's just great!! I need to second that suggestion....this is a powerful CD, and we do many of the songs at our church. I want to let you all know that although there's a nice sprinkling of "Irish" throughout the music, this sounds more like the typical contempory worship arrangement of instrumentation. (Do you agree, Judi?) That's not at all a problem to me, but I've heard people say they expected it to sound more Irish than it does, so I thought I'd give you all the heads-up. I especially love "Be Unto Your Name" and "Days of Elijah." In Christ, Sharon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:43:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey Rick, WHERE were you this year??? Did I miss you at the Keeper? Usually I look for your "grumpy old man" hat, you know, a fishing hat of sorts...but this year I saw neir a sign of it... Inquiring minds want to know...and I'll keep my eyes/ears peeled for an artist who embraces singleness and says so... Paula "For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11 ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... After talking to many folks about their workshops, I'd love to read what everyone went to and how they liked it, what they got out of it, and if they' recommend it for next year. Here's mine 1. Photography with Ben Pearson - this is the second time I attended Ben seminar. The first time was in '99. I learned more to add to my previous knowledge and had the opportunity to have Ben look at some of my photos. He tried to cover some of the technical as well as artistic aspects of photography and answer as many questions as possible. I highly recommend this for anyone who enjoys Ben's work and wants to learn how to improve their own photography skills - even with a point and shoot for casual shots. I can't really say anything about pros and cons because I liked it so much. 2. Mosaic Tile with Jimmy Abegg - he is a character!! but we all know that. I thoroughly enjoyed this class and am now planning on making tiles for christmas presents for folks...hmmm...maybe a pink flamingo and a penguin on the beach together... I always did love art class and having something to show for my effort. The only thing I would change would be to make the class a 2 session one - either all day or two mornings due to the steps involved and the wait times. I'd recommend everyone taking at least one of Jimmy A's classes so some of his insanity can rub of one you! 3. Acting with Kimberly Guerrero - a great class. she encouraged us to participate in community theater or start something in our churches. We had to get in groups and act out a bible story she gave us. the story could take place in any time and be adapted accordingly. I was the mom in the 'prodigal daughter'. I'd recommend this to anyone who has a smidgen of desire to any type of performing in even the smallest of settings. As you can see, I opted for the creative stuff instead of the thinking ones. that was what I needed this weekend... more one the concerts, etc later cfk ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey Paula Clouse wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know...and I'll keep my eyes/ears peeled for an > artist who embraces singleness and says so... > Allen Levi - www.allenlevi.com - he is an artist and is single and happily so. He is a great guy and very talented musician and storyteller. Allen was a lawyer, studied in Scotland and quit the law to do music full time. He is good friends with Bebo Norman and lives in Columbus Ga. I have almost all his cd's except one. He puts out at least one a year. check him out. Allen and Rich are the only 2 musicians who have songs that move me to tears. c. ------- From: jennifer taylor Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] ericandbritt 8/13 - 25 Hi Guys, It is time once again for your beggarman upcoming concert update. You only have two more opportunities according to the official beggarman calander to see them in Aug of 2001. So, act now. OOOR, if you just can't make it to South Dakota tonight or Ohio next week, you could still check out the new cd. It is available. Horrah! Sooo the dates are, 08/13/2001 Sioux Falls, SD Hillcrest Baptist Church, 7:00pm 08/25/2001 Cincinnati, OH College Hill Presbyterian CD RELEASE PARTY!!! And, I have some specific things you can pray for for them that I got in an email ... they are, 1. safety and success traveling in our new (but old) van GUS - 2. that God would give us a vision and guidance about HOW to use the platform he has given us with our music....what are the messages he wants us to communicate as we perform....there is only so much that can be said in a show, and we want to be God's vessels, not just blowing hot air....if that makes sense.... 3. Excellence with our new music and discipline to prepare,....with our new cd out, there have been soooo many details to take care of, and practicing music seems to be the last thing we have time for.,,,,so our prayer is for discipline to live in God's priorities.... 4. Unity and joy in our marriage....britt is amazing, and we know without Christ, our relationship would diminish...so we need him.... Father, we come before you now to lift Eric and Brittney up. Be with them as they travel, keep them safe. Watch over them and guide them as they proclaim the Good News to those who are thirsty. May You be glorified through their actions. Thank you Father for all that you have done and the opportunities you have placed before them. Fill them with Your peace and Your Joy as they follow You. In Jesus name, Amen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in making the Fest better each and every year! Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? Registration: no problem or irritating? Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? >>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Any additional comments? Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continuous support of Legacyfest! ------- From: Elizabeth Musso Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:18:25 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayers Please Hi, RagaBrethren- There are a couple of people in my life who could use some prayers from the "righteous." One is my oldest son. His name is James. He's 18. He told me today he's leaving, going to go away for a few months to LA. (We live in Fresno.) He wants to learn to be responsible, etc. I keep thinking of the things he'll really learn out there, so, of course, I keep thinking of "Growing Young." I'm not distraught--I know it's probably something God can use in his life, so I give him my blessing. But please pray for his safety, physically and spiritually. Thank you. The other prayer need is my friend and former sister-in-law, Jeannie. She has a lymphoma cancer. I don't know anything about that, but she has had one chemo cycle and is in a really bad way, what with nausea and weight loss, etc. She feels like her prayers are "bouncing off the ceiling." And this is just the beginning... Her desire is just that one or two symptoms of the chemo's affect be healed, to give her hope. I don't know what to say to her, but she will be pleased when I tell her she's being prayed for by all of you. =) Thank you. In His Grace, Elisa<>< ------- From: jennifer taylor Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:59:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey - --- "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" wrote: > Allen Levi - www.allenlevi.com - he is an artist > and is single and happily > so. Ohhh, Allen is one of my alltime favorite people. And he does have a song he wrote about being single. "Invisible partner" And as he says, One is still a whole number!" Plus, I think his last newsletter was about being single. Or maybe it was just a recent one. Can't recall. But, he's great. Check out his site. And don't forget Chris Rice. He's single and Happy. And Kathy Trocoli (sp?) she's single isn't she? uhm... there are others... can't remember them now though. love, jen-t ===== ********************************************************* "To live is so startling, it leaves but little room for other occupations though Friends are if pos sible an event more fair." Emily Dickinson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Laura Hall" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:59:45 -0500 Subjectº [ragamuffin] The trip home from Legacy Fest I haven't sent anything out to this list, but I thought I'd share what happened on the way home from this year's festival, because God has to have a sense of humor based on my past 2 days. I should have picked up that God was going to do something unusual on this trip to Legacy Fest just from the chuckle I got out of the clue to the crossword puzzle I was attempting last Sunday. 25 Down, 5 letter word ending in Y "Like Kansas in August" - Muggy?, Windy?, _____? A collegue of mine talked me into flying out to the festival this year, the travel agent said I could get a direct flight back later in the day, and I even decided to take an extra day off work after getting back to recuperate. No forseen hassles; but God had other plans. As we were getting ready to take off from Wichita the pilot stated Memphis airport was closed due to bad weather but they hoped it would open by the time we got there. My flight wasn't direct, and I did have to change planes in Memphis, but we got there safely with no problems. The plane from Memphis to Columbus wasn't there so I waited with the others. That's O.K.; I had picked up James Bryan Smith's book Embracing the Love of God in Wichita and started to read it. The updates of our flight changed about every 15-30 minutes. The flight was coming from Alabama and would be delayed. Later, it hadn't taken off yet due to the weather. Later still, we don't know where the plane is. 3 hours later we started boarding the plane and were relieved to be seated when the pilot came on board and said the flight had just been cancelled. We all got off the plane. The pilots and flight attendant were willing to go, and they urged the folks who had the authority over the phone to let us go, but without result. Despair set in. So we stood in line another hour rebooking flights, along with other weary travelers. Flashbacks of a previous experience in New York City when the whole airport shut down due to flooding came to mind. Not again!! People were tired, angry, and getting hostile towards each other. Ditchers woul d not be tolerated; anxious passengers were verbally abusing ticket clerks. I had gotten to the se ction of Jim's book on forgiveness and the timing was perfect, and was also recalling the Christ-li ke Communication workshop I had been in only the day before with information on conflict management . I tried to pick my words judiciously as I thought of the questions to ask on rebooking. I was scheduled for the first flight out in the morning. Would they pay for the hotel? No it was an "act of God". Any suggestions on hotels? Hotel rooms may be hard to find since there is the Elvi s convention in town. I had to laugh. Could it get any better (or worse) than this? Thoughts of sleeping on the airport floor crossed my mind and made me somewhat anxious being alone. Oh God help!! Then the clarity of God's words came to mind "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your request to God. And the pea ce of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesu s" (Philippians 4:6-7). Let me not be alone tonight I thought to God. As I looked up a couple was walking toward me that I recognized from the other rebooking line. Complete strangers to this poi nt but a few questions later, I found they had the same early flight as me, and they were in the pr ocess of looking for hotels. I asked if I could tag along, and they were fine with that, she state d she wouldn't want to be alone either. The peace that came was indescribable. Chris, Lynn and I were now in this together no matter what the outcome. Only 2 hotel calls later we found a place to stay. Thanks God, your blessings are abundant, and you supply every need. We did get off the ground the next day. I didn't care if I got my luggage when I got back home (af ter all it was a Northwest flight and recall Andrew Peterson's song about lost luggage? I laughed) . I won't know all the reasons for why this change in plans occurred. I know it reinforced to me the assurance we all have of God's provision. I hope along the way God used me to alleviate some fear s others may have had who hadn't gone through this before, and that I encouraged the stressed airli ne staff stuck in the middle. God only knows, but I have found over the years, some of the best me mories come from when God takes us off our chosen path and we follow His lead wherever he takes us. What a dance!! What a blast!! If anybody wants to carpool from the midwest to Legacy Fest next year let me know. Hotel rooms may be harder to come by in Memphis during the "silver" anniversary of Elvis. At least we know God, t he one true King is alive and active in our lives. Your sis in Christ, Laura H. ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:59:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Friday pm ö Approaches to Prayer Friday am ö Exercises in Spiritual Growth Saturday pm ö Christ-like Communication Saturday am ö The Raging Fury of God's Love These are in my "favorites" order if I must provide them. I totally enjoyed all of my workshops. I was seeking a deeper relation with Christ and really found each of the leaders provided more than I had anticipated. Alyssa, Dave Dr. Jim and Jeff B. were all just wonderful. Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) I was surprised. Bill Miller, Eric and Britt, Mac Powell. I tend to not listen to the music with the newer "alternative" sound. Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? Stayed on campus and thought is was a great deal for the price. The breakfast food was excellent. Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? Many of the items I was not interested with. I did bid on a few, but some "ebay"er types out bid me by a dollar in the last minutes. Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? I think so. It was great. It was a very "up close" and personal experience. The people, all of them, is what made it so wonderful. A closeness to God was there that is hard to put into words. And one I got to bring it home with me. Registration: no problem or irritating? No problems at all Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? I'll leave that to you pros. I know Carolyn Arends was busy having a baby, but I'd love to see her. >>>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Rosewood Heights, IL Any additional comments? See ya'll next year ;) ------- From: ABugWorks@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:15:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacyfest Survey OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in making the Fest better each and every year! Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Off-loom weaving Religious art Mosaic Tile Art and Spirit Mosaic Tile was my favorite as far as having fun and a good time - i got to meet some other people in the room as we were waiting for grout to cure, set, stuff like that. I benefited most from the Art and Spirit class, but I can't say I enjoyed it - it disturbed me, in a way that has made me search and dig deeper than I would normally care to, but I think that's a good thing, as uncomfortable as it may be. Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Favorite: Ceili Rain, followed by Mac Powell and Andrew Peterson I really liked All Weather Human as well, especially when their road crew came out with the socks and jammed with them. Bill Miller blew me away. I almost left after Mac Powell (I was tired and it had been a very long day and I was worn out). I am so glad I didn't. I can't really say I wouldn't have missed Steadfast if I hadn't heard them, but I don't really care for the style of music they play. Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? Didn't stay on campus, but the Scots in me is thinking that would be a good deal for future fests and the less money spent on accomodations is more money I could spend at the auction and in the vendor's tent. Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? I like the silent auction - just didn't have any $$ to bid on anything Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? oh, heavens yes! I don't think one could get the camaraderie, workshops and music and benefit a good cause for the cost anywhere else. Registration: no problem or irritating? no problem. liked the registration on thursday evening instead of friday morning. that was a very good idea. Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? can't think of anything right now.... >>>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Little Rock, Arkansas Any additional comments? Next year I'll bring bug repellant...still itching from the bites. I also plan on dragging several friends and family members next year. We'll have a caravan from Arkansas to Kansas. :) I thoroughly enjoyed myself and had a great time in worship as well. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continuous support of Legacyfest! Oh, no, thank you for providing it for us to support!!! annie ------- From: "Rene' Salvatore" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:15:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Urgent Prayer Request Hello Everyone~ For some of you this is an update on my father in law and for the rest of you this is the first request I am making on you for prayer. On Saturday, my father in law had two heart attacks. A large one early Saturday morning and a minor one Saturday afternoon. They ran a stress test today and it came back showing that at least one of the arteries is blocked. The stress test they said, doesn't show the small blockages, only the large ones, so if there are any more, they won't show from that test. They are going to do a Heart Catherization tomorrow at three p.m est and from there they will know where we have to go from here. There are three possibilities after the heart cath tomorrow. They could find nothing or find that it's treatable with meds and he gets to come home. There could be one blockage and we find out that he needs an angio plasty or there could be more than one blockage and then that would mean he has to have open heart surgery. He is diabetic and they said that the heart problem probably stems from the diabetes. He is very scared and we all are as well. I spent the entire day with him today at the hospital and we talked and walked around and laughed and we watched T.V together and we made fun of his meals. It was a great comfort to us both to have that time, yet I am still very worried. The other thing that is bothering me, is I don't know where he stands with his relationship with Christ. He doesn't talk about it to much and something happened years ago, that he's never wanted to share, that has really turned him off from the whole thing. I feel the need to approach him about it yet I want to do it in the best time. So, I am asking for all of your prayers tomorrow and I appreciate them and will thank you in advance. My family appreciates them. In His Love and Mercy Rene' ===== ãBut the bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and da nger alike, and yet not withstanding go out to meet itä -Thucydides- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:15:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/13/01 During the Mac Powell concert at Legacy Fest '01, he said that Michael and Eric had shared their favorite "Rich" stories in James Bryan Smith's _An Arrow Pointing to Heaven_. Mark Lee (of the group Third Day) said he was asked what *his* favorite Rich story was - and he stole Mac Powell's (also of Third Day). They were at the Dove Awards in 1997 (I *think* that was the year). The Dove Awards can be a lot of fun for radio and publicity people, but for artists they can be a real drag. All artists get to do is sit around and answer the same stupid questions over and over and over, in interview after interview after interview. So Rich was sitting around with Third Day (just kind of hanging out), right? All of a sudden out of no where Rich just goes, "I would just *love* to get in a big pot of honey right now." [Quotemaster's input: Wouldn't you just *love* to see a book published called _Rich Off the Wall_ (or something like that) -- chock full of stories like this? I know I would.] Source: A personal "Rich story" shared at Legacy Fest '01 (Anyone is welcome to correct detail if some of it is wrong. I asked Kelsie to help me remember because I don't do well with detail unless I write it down.) ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "rah" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:15:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... To: Kathy Sprinkle This was my first year to attend Legacyfest. I just discovered Rich Mullins six months ago, and since then I've been obsessed with his life, words and music. God continues to be in this experience in a powerful way, and I'm still reeling (and learning) from it. I traveled from Elkhart, Indiana on Friday and arrived too late to attend any of the classes. Check-in Friday afternoon was a breeze because a young man was near the registration table and handed me my envelope. The evening concert was enjoyable ... the weather exquisitely pleasant. >>From the time I arrived, I spent a considerable time gawking at people about whom I'd read and whose pictures I'd seen in the abundance of material I have collected. It was neat to be a fringe person. No one knew me, so I didn't converse with anyone ... just watched and listened. From a distance, it was great to see people like Geoff, Danl, Jimmy A., Rich's manager, Alyssa, Mitch and you. The most profound and thrilling experience was to be in the Saturday morning class of Alyssa and David Mullins. If I hadn't received anything else from the entire weekend, it was worth the trip to be a part of that seminar. I walked away from that class with some fresh new tools for life. I was impressed with the substance of the material the speakers presented. In addition to the spiritual "meat" of the hour, I couldn't seem to get enough of watching David Mullins ... he walks and talks like Rich and he's left handed, too. What a treat it was to be with him and to observe him throughout the weekend. He's quite a guy. I must admit that I was waiting for Mitch McVicker to perform on Saturday night. The preceding acts didn't do too much for me. However, when he came up on stage, it was a thrill to hear him and his group. I loved the songs he did that Rich wrote, even though his own songs were good, too. I did not participate in the silent auction, but I think it was a good idea to have it. The booklet in my packet was very nicely done. It was great to read about the artists, seminar leaders, contributors of auction material and other items and services. I can imagine the work that went into orchestrating a festival such as this. I applaud each and every one who contributed to the success of Legacyfest 2001. I stayed at the Hampton Inn, which was very close to the University. I searched out the Keeper of the Plains and passed by Friends University. I wanted to see those places that are mentioned in Rich's songs and places he frequented. A sadness has lingered with me since I left Wichita. I wish I could be free of this sadness I don't understand. I'm in awe at how God has planted Rich in my heart in such an overwhelming way. One thing is for sure ... God has become more real and more accessible since I've been studying Rich. It seems like he has helped me cut through all my "stuff". He has taken my hand and is leading me into a closer walk with God. I never met Rich, but his influence on my life has been greater than I can describe. You were so lucky to have know him and shared in his life as you did. I'm sure you were a blessing to him, too. Thanks so much for the things you share with our group. Ruth ------- From: "sawoodsy" Subject: Legacy Fest '01 Workshop Recordings Order Form Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:28:05 -0500 [Lots of people are interested in the workshops that were offered at Legacy Fest '01. An explanation of each workshop can be found at www.kidbrothers.org/legacyfest2001/index.html#Anchor-42068. The order form that was made available in the class rooms looks like this.] ********************************************************************** **** Cornerstone Studios Rich Mullins Legacy Festival 2001 Seminar Recording Order Sheet Please indicate how many sets of each seminar you would like to have replicated. Each seminar set is 2 cassettes or 2 CD's for $10. FRIDAY 9-11 AM ______ Appreciative Inquiry - Kenny Blacksmith ______ Creating a Spiritual Journal - Alyssa Loukota ______ Dessert Fathers - Tammy Pruitt FRIDAY 1:30 PM-3:30 PM ______ Approaches to Prayer - Alyssa Loukota ______ Elements of Worship - Mac Powell ______ Exercises in Spiritual Growth - Rev. Dr. Jim Smith and Dave Mullins ______ Respect for Culture - Kenny Blacksmith SATURDAY 9-11 AM ______ Balancing Life and Ministry - Gary Rowe ______ The Raging Fury of God's Love - Alyssa Louka/Dave Mullins ______ Screenwriting - William Thoms ______ Working with Disenfranchised Youth - Kathy Sprinkle/Shawn Hedegard SATURDAY 1:30 PM-3:30 PM ______ Communicating in Love - Dr. Jeff Bjork ______ Understanding the Musci Industry - Johnny Guerrero ______ Understanding St. Francis and Franciscan Life - Richard Hardin Send personal check or money order to: Cornerstone Studios 827 W. 13th St. Wichita, KS 67203 For credit card orders please call 1-888-447-8729 or 263-4464. ______ Yes I want to be on your e-mail list. Ship To: _____________________________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ E-mail address: _________________________ Telephone #: (_______) __________________ _________Sub Total _________ $2.00 Shipping Charges (Per Set) _________ Add 5.9% KS State Sales Tax _________ Grand Total ------- From: ABugWorks@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:41:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacyfest Survey OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in making the Fest better each and every year! Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Off-loom weaving Religious art Mosaic Tile Art and Spirit Mosaic Tile was my favorite as far as having fun and a good time - i got to meet some other people in the room as we were waiting for grout to cure, set, stuff like that. I benefited most from the Art and Spirit class, but I can't say I enjoyed it - it disturbed me, in a way that has made me search and dig deeper than I would normally care to, but I think that's a good thing, as uncomfortable as it may be. Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Favorite: Ceili Rain, followed by Mac Powell and Andrew Peterson I really liked All Weather Human as well, especially when their road crew came out with the socks and jammed with them. Bill Miller blew me away. I almost left after Mac Powell (I was tired and it had been a very long day and I was worn out). I am so glad I didn't. I can't really say I wouldn't have missed Steadfast if I hadn't heard them, but I don't really care for the style of music they play. Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? Didn't stay on campus, but the Scots in me is thinking that would be a good deal for future fests and the less money spent on accomodations is more money I could spend at the auction and in the vendor's tent. Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? I like the silent auction - just didn't have any $$ to bid on anything Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? oh, heavens yes! I don't think one could get the camaraderie, workshops and music and benefit a good cause for the cost anywhere else. Registration: no problem or irritating? no problem. liked the registration on thursday evening instead of friday morning. that was a very good idea. Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? can't think of anything right now.... >>>>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Little Rock, Arkansas Any additional comments? Next year I'll bring bug repellant...still itching from the bites. I also plan on dragging several friends and family members next year. We'll have a caravan from Arkansas to Kansas. :) I thoroughly enjoyed myself and had a great time in worship aswell. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continuous support of Legacyfest! Oh, no, thank you for providing it for us to support!!! annie ------- From: "Judi Lemay-Lusk" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:41:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] music Sharon writes back: >I need to second that suggestion....this is a powerful CD, and we do many >of the songs at our church. thanks, Sharon! we do a few of their songs in church as well. Robin Marks has a new CD out which is just as wonderful, in case you hadn't heard it. >I want to let you all know that although >there's a nice sprinkling of "Irish" throughout the music, this sounds >more like the typical contempory worship arrangement of instrumentation. >(Do you agree, Judi?) yes, I do. The "Irish" touches are great, there's just enough to remind me that this takes place in Belfast, not Philadelphia :-) >That's not at all a problem to me, but I've heard >people say they expected it to sound more Irish than it does, so I >thought I'd give you all the heads-up. If you really want Christian Irish music, (shameless plug #2) I heartily recommend The Crossing. Now *there's* Irish!! >I especially love "Be Unto Your Name" and "Days of Elijah." oh YES, YES. YES!!! We do "Days of Elijah" at church. it's awesome!!! I brought the CD up to some friends in VT a few weeks ago, they had never heard it. They are now planning on doing the same song in their church, they were so taken with it. So maybe when Ron and I go up for Thanksgiving we can sing it there! (so now what are the rest of you waiting for??!! :-))) judi (whose toes tap even without music!) ------- From: Dave Anderson Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... > -----Original Message----- > From: rah [mailto:rholling@bnin.net] > > From the time I arrived, I spent a considerable time > gawking at people about > whom I'd read and whose pictures I'd seen in the abundance of > material I > have collected. It was neat to be a fringe person. No one > knew me, so I > didn't converse with anyone ... just watched and listened. > Ruth, Even though I consider myself a "fringe" person most times, the Legacy Fest is no time to practice that trait! I can't imagine Robin or Paula or Sandy or numerous others letting you slip through their fingers without giving you a heartfelt Ragamuffin welcome to our group of RagListers. Next year will be different though, I'm sure Robin right now is planning her tactics to get you involved in next years RagList activities! :o) What a great group... - -Dave- davidan@midlandnb.com http://www.midlandnb.com "He has called us here ... Peace of Christ to you" R.M. ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Urgent Prayer Request >...I am making on you for prayer. > On Saturday, my father in law had two heart attacks... > The other thing that is bothering me, is I don't > know where he stands with his relationship with > Christ. Said a prayer for all of you, Rene. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: ABugWorks@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:09 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] prayer request Hello, friends Part of me feels a little sheepish for asking for prayer for a pet, but my weekend in Wichita was dampened by a call that my 12 year old cat, Cabot, escaped from my friend's house Friday morning. My friend has put notices up in his apartment complex and around the neighborhood and spent his weekend searching for Cabot, but no kitty has turned up. In addition to this, Cabot has cancer and I'm more upset about it all than I am admitting to myself or friends and family - the double fudge brownies with chocolate icing are a testament to that. Now that I've drowned my sorrows in chocolate and feel no better than I did before, I'm turning to the One I should have turned to at the beginning. My prayer isn't so much for Cabot to come home but for me to have peace about the situation, whatever the situation turns out to be. Please join me. thanks for listening to me.... annie ------- From: ""0000, 0000@host.linux4ua.com, "8000\"sawoodsy\" <" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Reply-To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ragamuffin-L-request@geoffhorton.com To: "Ragamuffin List" From: "sawoodsy" Date sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:28:05 -0500 Send reply to: stfrank@yahoogroups.com Subject: [stfrank] Legacy Fest '01 Workshop Recordings Order Form [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] [Lots of people are interested in the workshops that were offered at Legacy Fest '01. An explanation of each workshop can be found at www.kidbrothers.org/legacyfest2001/index.html#Anchor-42068. The order form that was made available in the class rooms looks like this.] ********************************************************************** **** Cornerstone Studios Rich Mullins Legacy Festival 2001 Seminar Recording Order Sheet Please indicate how many sets of each seminar you would like to have replicated. Each seminar set is 2 cassettes or 2 CD's for $10. FRIDAY 9-11 AM ______ Appreciative Inquiry - Kenny Blacksmith ______ Creating a Spiritual Journal - Alyssa Loukota ______ Dessert Fathers - Tammy Pruitt FRIDAY 1:30 PM-3:30 PM ______ Approaches to Prayer - Alyssa Loukota ______ Elements of Worship - Mac Powell ______ Exercises in Spiritual Growth - Rev. Dr. Jim Smith and Dave Mullins ______ Respect for Culture - Kenny Blacksmith SATURDAY 9-11 AM ______ Balancing Life and Ministry - Gary Rowe ______ The Raging Fury of God's Love - Alyssa Louka/Dave Mullins ______ Screenwriting - William Thoms ______ Working with Disenfranchised Youth - Kathy Sprinkle/Shawn Hedegard SATURDAY 1:30 PM-3:30 PM ______ Communicating in Love - Dr. Jeff Bjork ______ Understanding the Musci Industry - Johnny Guerrero ______ Understanding St. Francis and Franciscan Life - Richard Hardin Send personal check or money order to: Cornerstone Studios 827 W. 13th St. Wichita, KS 67203 For credit card orders please call 1-888-447-8729 or 263-4464. ______ Yes I want to be on your e-mail list. Ship To: _____________________________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ E-mail address: _________________________ Telephone #: (_______) __________________ _________Sub Total _________ $2.00 Shipping Charges (Per Set) _________ Add 5.9% KS State Sales Tax _________ Grand Total "...Where the sacred rivers meet beneath the shadow of the Keeper of the Plains..." ~Rich Mullins Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] The trip home from Legacy Fest > I haven't sent anything out to this list, but I thought I'd share what happened on the way home from this year's festival, because God has to have a sense of humor based on my past 2 days...No forseen hassles; but God had other plans... I won't know all the reasons for why this change in plans occurred. I know it reinforced to me the assurance we all have of God's provision...God only knows, but I have found over the years, some of the best memories come from when God takes us off our chosen path and we follow His lead wherever he takes us. What a dance!! What a blast!! Enjoyed your story of faith and patience, Laura. Glad it all turned out all right and you're home safely. > If anybody wants to carpool from the midwest to Legacy Fest next year let me know. Hotel rooms may be harder to come by in Memphis during the "silver" anniversary of Elvis. At least we know God, the one true King is alive and active in our lives. We actually passed an "Elvis is Alive" museum in Missouri. Soooooo, you may run into trouble getting through there next year. Hehe. I was wondering it Richita has a "Rich is Alive" museum yet? (Just kidding, JUST KIDDING!!!) Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: Kelli Paslawski Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:41:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer request Hi... It was so cool to meet to you guys this year!!! The whole experience was amazing!!!!!!!!! Please keep this request in the back of your head over the next 9 months. It appears that God has a new phase in my life, and that would be another child. My husband, Mike and I were only "expecting" to have the 2 children that God has already blessed us with. Please pray for this new baby and I, as I carry it. 2 weeks ago, this pregancy was not exactly what I had in mind, i was actually very upset. It was a surrendor issue and i wanted my life to be, the way I wanted it to be. But praise God that He is in control and that He is faithful and trustworthy. A life surrendored to His will has been my prayer since March, and now Iam seeing the fruits of that prayer, even though its a bit scary. The Festival was such a encourgement to me. When eric and britt sang their song Have Your Way, it spoke right to me. thank you Kelli - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:53:05 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Balancing Life and Ministry Workshop Notes [In Kathy's questionnaire, she asked us to tell which workshops we took. Although there were MANY others I'd RATHER have taken, I chose this one because I felt I needed it more than any other. I'm soooooo glad I listened to the "still, small Voice", because it ended up being my favorite.] Balancing Life and Ministry Workshop (Sat. AM) Gary Rowe I came into the classroom about ten minutes early (when many of the seats were empty). Gary humorously mentioned that since not many people were there yet, we were probably the most "balanced" group of individuals in all the workshops. :) Yippppeeeee! As time continued, people began to straggle in. Eventually most of the seats were filled, so Gary began by introducing himself. He then asked us to go around the room telling our names, where we were from, a little about ourselves, and what ministries we were involved in. I always enjoy that part. I love hearing details of others' lives. And, *this time* I was pretty proud of myself for not hogging the entire seminar time allotment. Actually there were *several* people who talked much more than I. (I think I'm gettin' somewhere!) The girl sitting next to me (a non-lister whom I'd met last year) made a confession that she was in the workshop illegally. She had signed up for a different class, but at the last minute decided to join Balancing Life and Ministry (without checking with authorities first). She said, "So, I guess if the class room fills up, I'll have to leave." Gary gave her permission to stay. I was pleased to see that eventually the classroom *did* fill up, and he didn't kick her out. :) Interestingly, there ended up being a lot of Texans in our class. I began to wonder if I was at a sports event or something. Every time someone said, "My name is...and I'm from [whichever city] in Texas" the majority of people whooped it up. (That was just a little extra for you enthusiastic Texans.) After the introductions were over, Gary began his lecture. He said balancing life and ministry is a skill that can be studied in workshops, seminars and counseling, but it's safe to consider that you will never get to the point where it's perfected. If you have trouble doing it, it will be an ongoing feat. It takes CONSTANT EFFORT and CONSTANT ATTENTION. ***Calling*** He pre-warned us that the class would probably not teach us any "different" things we hadn't heard before, and would probably give us no set "practical answers." He mentioned that normally when people study the subject of balancing life and ministry, they learn about specific topics i.e., delegating, organizing, managing stress, communication skills, etc. (which is what he had originally planned on doing). But every time he sat down to work on it, he'd run into dead ends and end up frustrated. *Something* kept keeping him from getting as far as he wanted. He noted that just days before the seminar a friend had loaned him a copy of Oz Guinness's _The Call_. He read some of it on the plane, and hadn't finished it yet. In fact, he was only a couple chapters into it at present and was wishing he'd had the time to get it done before the seminar -- but knowing that it *wasn't* what happened (combined with some of the comments during introductions), reinforced the idea that *this* seminar's focus should be on the role that "calling" plays in balancing life and ministry rather than the mechanics of it. [Just a side note: He pointed out that Jeff Bjork did a *wonderful* workshop on communication for those who *are* interested in some of the mechanics that were mentioned above.] *************************** After speaking a while, he called our attention to a worksheet that had been handed out. On that worksheet (along with other things) were four questions. We were given some time for personal prayer/observation/searching/contemplation and were asked to write our answers out. Afterwards, we were asked to share some of our answers and findings. Below are the four questions along with the notes I have next to them: 1) What does it mean to be called into ministry? The answer I wrote on my paper was: Hearing a clear direction (whether present, or figuring it out much later -- you know, the hindsight/timing thing) of something God wants you to do. Group answers included: Some people got very specific regarding their own callings. A very popular answer was that the gifts, talents, abilities are not just "for me", but for the whole body -- the we are *responsible* to answer those things we are called to (for the edification of the entire body of Christ). We aren't to keep them for our own personal good. I like the way one guy put it (which reminded me of a Rich quote someone in _An Arrow Pointing to Heaven_ mentioned). The guy was Native American, and he pointed out that we are given the gifts we have in order to "plow" them back into the body - like plowing elements into the earth. They are seeds that are planted in order for the whole body to grow. Gary either added or reinforced ideas that were already mentioned: Coming to a realization (through the Holy Spirit, Scripture and circumstances) that I'm being guided into something. "Circumstances" being things like "a desire to use my gifts for the body", "a sense of preparation", "timing", etc. 2) How do you know you've been called to ministry? The answer I wrote on my paper was: Seeing if what *I* feel I'm being called to is Scriptural, and relying heavily on community input and spiritual direction. (Not allowing myself to be sucked into any ole' idea that anyone tells me I'm being called to. I must "feel the calling" myself, and not just become a "yes man" for anything that anyone wants me to do. Group answers included: Realize it's a *specific* calling. We *all* are called to "general call" (to come unto Him, and to go into the world). The calling we're talking about is a specific job that not everyone is being led to do. Is the thing we think we're called to affirmed by others in the community? One of the girls mentioned that someone she works for continues to tell her to "be authentic". I wasn't exactly sure what she meant, but I'm thinking it ties into the idea the we would never be called to something that we aren't *already* made up of. Example: Seeing a ministry/calling/gifting that someone *else* has and thinking that *you* are also called to it (just because it looks fun or exciting to you). I'm thinking that what she meant by "being authentic" is using the gifts/opportunities/passions He's placed in *your* life. Gary either added or reinforced ideas that were already mentioned: Our calling *does* need to be affirmed by others, but that "affirmation" must be something that is *beyond* you (and them). He used the example that sometimes the people who are closest to us (like spiritual directors, friends, church people) aren't as honest as they should be. Sometimes they tells us things we want to hear, or just because they like us, they too, feel like we are being called to something we're not). He mentioned a "Rich story" at this point. He said there was a time when Rich was really struggling with a certain direction in which he should go. It was not someone whom he knew well that gave him the most affirmation, but someone he didn't know from Adam. It was a waitress in a restaurant who could have in *no way* had any idea of the advise he needed. Nearly word-for-word God used *her* mouth to get His message across to Rich. We *do* need to get spiritual direction and input from friends/family, but we also need to be aware the it's not always unbiased. One thing to consider with that is: "Just because you can, *should* you?" Hmmmmmm. That all has to do with the "being affirmed from a source that's *beyond* you" thing. An A.W. Tozer quote where he talks about calling: "[I have] no desire to do this but an inward desire of the Holy Spirit and the external pressure to do it." (Meaning: Many times you have no actual personal interests in it all, but a *strong* sense of the Holy Spirit leading you to it, combined with a pressure that you cannot escape from, nearly *forces* you to do it. 3) Does your sense of calling guide the way you structure your daily approach to ministry? How? This was one that no one can answer but ourselves. Gary did point out, though, that we ALL *have* a specific call in addition to the general call of following Christ and sharing Him. But, if we don't "feel" a strong call, or don't even understand what people are talking about when they mention it, we should consider this saying: "He has no call who has a command." We may not know an exact call for our lives, but one thing that we *can* be sure of is that we are *commanded* to come to Him and to share Him with others. We can at least do that. He also said we all have GOP: Gifts, opportunities, and passions. We can be using them. 4) Are you at peace with your calling? Another thing no one else can answer except ourselves. *************************** [Other thoughts:] * Most essential: "To gain greater clarity regarding my calling, the more of a chance I have to actually have a BALANCED LIFE. Without that, there is no way it can be in balance." * We see our "sole purpose," but sometimes we don't see the GRAND PURPOSE. Sometime we get our eyes so fixed on ourselves and our giftings/calling that we don't get it in sync with God's grand design (using it for the sake of the body). * Many times we *think* we know what the outcome is going to be, so we begin manipulating our giftings/actions to get them to work into whatever that outcome is going to be. But, we could very well be mistaken regarding the outcome. We need to be very cautious and not try to "take control." All we are to be doing is following God's directions and not worrying about the outcome. We should always be looking for *more* than we are aware of. There are LOTS of things going on that we *can't* see. Those things that we *can't* see are just as much a part of the calling as the things we *can* see. Don't get so fixed on only the things you can see. The actual outcome of it all often flies in the face of our human inclinations. ********************* Book suggestions: * Ruthless Trust - Brennan Manning * The Call - Oz Guinness (Oz suggests that the book not be "read straight through" - but used as a meditation/devotional -- one chapter a day). * Men's Secret Wars (I didn't get the author's first name. The last name was Means. His wife, Marsha Means wrote a companion book to it.) "Calling is the truth that God calls us to Himself so decisively that everything we are, everything we do and everything we have is invested with a special devotion and dynamism lived out as a response to His summons and service." -- Oz Guinness, _The Call_ *************************************** Four Essential Stands: 1) Calling is RELATIONAL -- Meaning: In the beginning, beings were created to "call" TO ONE ANOTHER. That should never be lost. 2) Calling involves the MAKING OF SOMETHING -- Meaning: God called forth and the earth was MADE. God is continually MAKING ME into something. 3) Calling involves a PRIMARY purpose. -- Meaning: The primary purpose is salvation. "Calling" is a synonym for salvation. ALL are called to be FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. Our PRIMARY calling is to come to Him. Old Testament Hebrew - says He made us for relationship. 4) Calling involves a FULLER purpose, too -- Meaning: Although we're called to be follower of Him (for relationship), in addition to that we are called to specific tasks and other things. New Testament Greeks - says Jesus called us unto Himself, but we are a people called to "things" as well i.e., service, peace, prayer, suffering. ******************************************* Throughout the Bible, calling is a central theme. We are primarily called to *someOne,* not *something*. My major calling is to be a follower of Christ. When I put the focus on *things* (the *task* rather than the One), EVERYTHING gets out of balance. My #1 "thing" must be CHRIST! There is NO WAY you can live it all out right without putting your relationship with Him ABSOLUTELY FIRST! He HAS to be the focus. If we actually *did* that, what difference would it make? EVERYTHING! We would hear God's continual calling" rather than be narrow-minded and focused on anything He has called us to do in the past. Other key things to keep in mind for a balanced life: I. Understand the atmosphere of your church Was it God Who called you there, or did you go because of some exciting ministry or program? If He *did* call you there, is He calling you to *stay* there? How much grace is within the church? How healthy is the church? How clear is its purpose? Does it quench the Spirit of God? Are there competing personalities within the leadership? If it is a weak church, am I REALLY called to this ministry that's a wreck? Should I leave? Or should I remain in order to be used here? [I loved this portion of Gary's talk. I think, as Rich fans, we're so "conditioned" to think of what Rich said about "stay in the church you're at, 'cause they're all equally screwed up" that we don't always consider that it may not be what GOD wants. It was refreshing to hear Gary's "clinical suggestions" and "personal experiences," but even MORE refreshing to come away knowing that after "soul-searching it out", I AM in the right church for now. And that feels good.] II. Consider *Why* you are in ministry Most of us know that the divorce rate is the same inside and outside of the church. Why is this? Gary said studies show that ministry is a means of intimacy. We can run to ministry as a way of seeking intimacy that is missing in our lives. Oftentimes, involvement in ministry comes as a result of problems in the family. The individual is lacking intimacy and finds that the void is lessened by throwing themselves into a ministry project. When that happens, MORE problems within the family are the result. Involvement in ministry never repairs the problems within a week marital relationship or family. Gary mentioned the fact that he has counseled countless numbers of Christian individuals who are hostile toward their partner because the ministry has ruined their lives. And many youth who are hostile towards their parents because the church and ministry has come before them. Gary said, "If things aren't WONDERFUL within your family, you don't need to jump into ministry." He tied the idea of "Mary pondering/treasuring Jesus in her heart". He said, "My goal in ministry is to remember to provide balance within my family. CHERISH those memories!" III. Understand your motives for why you do the work you do. Are you doing the things you do in order to "fix" something in your life? Do you do what you do because you think you have to *do* in order to be good? Burn out is a result of "performance theology". There's a great book on performance theology by David Seamands. *********************************** Well, that's it. We ran out of time. I'll probably get the CD on this one even though I was there. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: ABugWorks@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] what was lost.... has been found! I found Cabot outside my friend's apartment after five days of being on the lam. I'm so relieved my knees are still weak. thank you for your prayers for Cabot's safety, his return home and my peace of mind. off to pet the kitty annie ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] s.o.s. Hi every one this is the Miller's (Greg juli Johnnie & Hannah) in Cal. I have a urgency. My diabetes has flared up. I went to the docs today. and it was way to high.262 should be 120. So I'm fully medicated. I also was given a insulin shot. I never had one before. So I'm a little stressed. Also I have pulled nerve in my back. I know you'll pray for me so thanks in advance. god bless the Miller's ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Friday pm - Approaches to Prayer (notes) Dave and Jim had "primed the pump" in my morning "Exercises in Spiritual Growth class, but in the afternoon workshop "Approaches to Prayer ", Alyssa took us along with her as she slowly and caringly moved through the triune degrees of prayer. As I was typing these notes, Rich's "While the Nations Rage" came on, what a prayer. I recommend the recording for anyone interested, my notes do not do her justice. Prayer Not about method. It is our union with God. It's about our hearts. It is more than mere methods. It is your inner closet. Create your closet in your temple. There are 3 degrees (like the Trinity) Body, soul and heart. Oral - (Bodily) Psalm, song, words, kneel down, fall down. Remember your feelings can lie to you. The fruit of prayer is seen over time. Mind - Prayer becomes interior, reciting less necessary. Remember the goodness and the gifts, people, confession, struggle, and take a spiritual inventory. Reflect on your day. * Create a thankful heart (you become more grateful). Heart - Bring your mind into your heart. Use all of you to pray. Tools - Calling on the name of Jesus and your name is important too. (Psalm 23 for example). Who you belong to; The Power. Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. Have mercy on me/us. Acknowledge your total dependence Centering Prayer Contemplative Tradition: Eastern Orthodox Beyond mind and words Use a word that means a lot such as Jesus, Peace, Love Close your eyes, sit, limit distractions It is focus Be aware that your brain will vie for attention, (let it go by). Just as a river, boats go by, trash goes by, let them pass, sink under the water. Gentle keep turning yourself back to Christ. This is the state of being with the Lord. Being makes you feel vulnerable. Remember we do not receive grace well. You offer yourself to Him Lectio Divina Read the Scripture Reread - Stopping for pause or phrase that "stands out" Mediate on the phrase or word Pray with your own words Leave the words behind Use all your senses Writing - Break out of the verbal (journal) Singing - "Man is that a prayer", and really listen to sound and not always the words Taste - "Taste and see the Lord is good" Smell - The sweet aroma of the Lord Sight - What you see Touching - Push beyond the words "Breath is life" God gives you the gift of prayer Intercessory Prayer Always positive Gratitude/Graceful Get "Yourself" out of the way Pray for others Pray to the Lord ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Bill Miller Question Annie wrote: > Bill Miller blew me away I am wondering if anyone knows what player it takes to play his music at his web site. My windows player, music match jukebox and real players don't handle the music....what's it take? David Banta ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... Ruth said: > It was neat to be a fringe person. No one > > knew me, so I > > didn't converse with anyone ... just watched and listened. Dave said: > Even though I consider myself a "fringe" person most times, the Legacy Fest > is no time to practice that trait!...I'm sure Robin right now is planning her tactics to get > you involved in next years RagList activities! :o) And Robin says: Gosh, Dave, you know me soooo well! I've already chastised Ruth personally about her bad behavior. As far as "right now" planning tactics -- you're a little behind. That's a past thing already. I began planning the moment I read her message earlier. :) You know, I was beginning to think those name tag thingies were getting a little old and unnecessary, but now I see how wrong I was. During LF'01 there were several times when I thought, "Shooooot! What's her name?" Or "What's his name?" I was wishing EVERYONE (including those non-Ragapeople) had one on. I mean REALLY!!!! How *do* you know who a person is when their name's not plastered on their shirt?! Yes, I'm thinking of writing my Raga-senators about making it a LAW that you HAVE to wear one next year - whether you're a name tag wearer or not! This is just one example of the terrible things that can happen when there aren't laws for this stuff (or when they aren't enforced). Hehe, haha. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Bill Miller Question Annie wrote: > Bill Miller blew me away I am wondering if anyone knows what player it takes to play his music at his web site. They are Real Audio, but it may take a special Plug-in. Even if the correct plugin for the media is installed, you will not be able to play files of that media type if the corresponding codecs are not also installed. To install the codecs for the media type, you will need to download and install a media player that was originally designed to play back that media. You may want to get an email off to the webmaster. ------- From: "stephanie howard" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Bill Miller Question david windows media player just brought up ghostdance for me....try that stephanie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:18:27 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Chesterton In part to give those of you who haven't encountered Chesterton a taste of his writing, in part to encourage those whose only encounter has been a difficult attempt to read _Orthodoxy_, and in part to play with my toys, I have scanned and OCR'd the first page of GKC's autobiography: ============== Bowing down in blind credulity, as is my custom, before mere authority and the tradition of the elders, superstitiously swallowing a story I could not test at the time by experiment or private judgment, I am firmly of opinion that I was born on the 29th of May, 1874, on Campden Hill, Kensington; and baptised according to the formularies of the Church of England in the little church of St. George opposite the large Waterworks Tower that dominated that ridge. I do not allege any significance in the relation of the two buildings; and I indignantly deny that the church was chosen because it needed the whole water-power of West London to turn me into a Christian. Nevertheless, the great Waterworks Tower was destined to play its part in my life, as I shall narrate on a subsequent page; but that story is connected with my own experiences, whereas my birth (as I have said) is an incident which I accept, like some poor ignorant peasant, only because it has been handed down to me by oral tradition. And before we come to any of my own experiences, it will be well to devote this brief chapter to a few of the other facts of my family and environment which I hold equally precariously on mere hearsay evidence. Of course what many call hearsay evidence, or what I call human evidence, might be questioned in theory, as in the Baconian controversy or a good deal of the Higher Criticism. The story of my birth might be untrue. I might be the long-lost heir of The Holy Roman Empire, or an infant left by ruffians from Limehouse on a door-step in Kensington, to develop in later life a hideous criminal heredity. Some of the sceptical methods applied to the world's origin might be applied to my origin, and a grave and earnest enquirer come to the conclusion that I was never born at all. But I prefer to believe that common sense is something that my readers and I have in common; and that they will have patience with a dull summary of the facts. ====================== There's a pretty good brief bio of GKC at http://www.chesterton.org/discover/who.html Grace and peace, Geoff - --- to ragamuffin-L-requesº@geoffhorton.com if you aren't ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:19:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] oh those workshop reports! - --- Bob Sullivan wrote: > > > Dave and Jim had "primed the pump".. i can't tell you other than wow.. these notes are great for those who didn't get a chance to experience it all! thanks.. and robin same on your awesome in depth detail of the workshop.. this is so cool to read this kind of effect.. ps robin, thanks for the info on the music not possible owned by.. i'm hoping to get it and a letter off tomorrow. stay strong in Christ guys! and looking forward to reading more about legacyfest from the list members who got inspired and renewed by it all. ~ suzan.. p.s... netscape is coughing so the unofficial is kind of sick.. hopefully they will figure it all out. ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:40:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey > I just was curious to know how many of us are out there who are over 30, single, and never been married? As you well know, Rich never got married and he was 41 when the Lord took him...One last thing..why do we not have any Christian...artist like Rich who can minister well to singles?... I don't know, but your comments sure were good inspiration for a Rich Quote. I'll use it for tomorrow's. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: gill king Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:37:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin survey I believe Rich struggled with being single a lot over the years. It can get very lonely being on your own, but we have to try to see it as God's will for us and accept it as such. It doesn't mean we have a disease or have 2 heads. We are normal human beings who have just not been called to be married, either at all or at this particular time. I have heard Bruce Marchiano - the actor who played Jesus in 'Matthew' - speak of feeling lonely as he travels around ministering to people. From his speaking schedule, he goes to single's conferences - he has a couple coming up in October and November of this year in Salt Lake City and Kansas, respectively. Check out his web site at http://www.brucemarchiano.com/resourcesframeset.html for info of those. Gill ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:37:26 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/14/01 "A lot of people think they are struggling with being content and single, and I think that everybody struggles with being content," says Rich. "You can blame your discontent on being single, or you can blame it on anything else. I don't think that necessarily singleness is any more the cause of discontent that marriage is."... ... As Rich points out, "If you're miserable single, you'll be miserable married. If you're miserable married, you'll likely be miserable divorced. The idea is not be change your status, the idea is to stop worrying about how miserable you are and do something fun -- like try to love somebody." ... ... [In response to comments about the True Love Waits campaign in Washington, DC, Melanie Friebel (of CCM Magazine) says] But the raging hormones and sexual struggles remain, and how can the average single cope? Rich Mullins releases that tension with a surprising solution. He runs. "In general or from women?," we ask. "Both," he replies. "We live in a society that constantly pumps us with sensuality and then we also live in a culture where our lives are so sedentary. I think a lot of time what we really want more than to kiss someone real hard is to get a good sweat up. So, I think exercising really does do something for us that we need done because otherwise sex becomes less appealing." Another valid point Rich made dealing with the bombardment of Hollywood's influential babe-watch is the other side of the coin. Modesty. "Modesty says a lot for a person. And I really find, ironically, modesty is more attractive than immodesty."... ...Rich explains, "I think one of the problems I have with married people and single people on the issue of singleness is people often talk about marriage as if it's a cure for loneliness." More than not, one of the main purposes of marriage is for companionship. The alternative is being alone. But does that then leave those who are alone, lonely? Not entirely so, Rich continues. "One of the things that I find shocking is when I talk to my married friends, who are very married - they are very happily married, and they're also very lonely. And in the midst of that loneliness they have to deal with somebody else and their loneliness."...And as Rich said earlier, the focus needs to come off marital or non-marital status and be put squarely on the pursuit of honest and deep relationships... Loving isn't [necessarily] about filling a void," Rich says. "Loving is being open to somebody, being receiving of them, allowing what's going to happen to happen." [CCM asks:] What's a good date?... Rich responds, "A nice place would be the Sangra De Christi Mountains (in northern New Mexico, southern Colorado). Go swimming, make dinner, then we would have a campfire. Source: Article entitled "Living Single" (by Melanie Friebel), in the February '95 issue of CCM Magazine. It includes input from Rich Mullins, Cindy Morgan, Brian Barrett, Pam Thum and East to West's Neal Coomer. You can read the entire article at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/ccmfeb95.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. From ???@??? Sa Apr 19 13:15:50 1997 Status: RO X-POP3-Rcpt: danlmac@danlnet.com Received: (from geoff@localhost) by host.linux4ua.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f7FML9V01467; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:21:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: host.linux4ua.com: geoff set sender to ragamuffin-L-request@geoffhorton.com using -f From: Kelli Paslawski To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:20:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... Message-ID: <3B7AAF72.9704.21C8961@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <"BkqVK.A.wS.HXve7"@host.linux4ua.com> Resent-From: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Reply-To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: ragamuffin-L@geoffhorton.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ragamuffin-L-request@geoffhorton.com Kathy, My favorite workshop was Understanding St.Fransis. Tammy was so cool and passionate about Christ.I would of never guessed her "secret". She did a wonderful job, please let her know that the Spirit was working. My other favorite was Creating a Spiritual Journal. She gave so many great ideas. I will defintly refer back to all the suggestions when Iam feeling a bit "dry". Her passion and love for Christ and His creation also, were very encouraging and contagious. i couldn't of lived without Mac Powell this year. He has a incredible gift to lead us into worship. So He was my favorite. Of course, MItch was great too, but It didn't seem he got to play very long. He seemed very comfortable out there and that was great to see. I had not seen Eric and Britt before and was blown away by them. I had no idea how their sweet, tender spirits would touch my heart. I could of lived without Sister Sarah. Its just not my type of music, but you asked. Registration was great. The price is defintley not too much. The only suggetions would be to get Bill Miller back next year!!! By the way... Can i bring a 4 months old baby in the workshops with me next year?? (Hahah... kinda kidding, but maybe not). Kelli KASPRINKLE@aol.com wrote: OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in making the Fest better each and every year! Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? Registration: no problem or irritating? Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? >>>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Any additional comments? Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continuous support of Legacyfest! - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:20:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] prayer request for all parents.. ok.. just say a prayer for the twins from osceola today please.. now some tragic news to share.. oh man as a parent/or anyone this will make you cringe. it's hannah's birthday ( my niece!) ok that's the good news, she's 17! wow a senior starting school in exactly one week. anyhow my sister and i went shopping quick this morning.. get home around 10.. hannah's on the phone about as sad as can be.. my brother-in law comes rushing to the car.. we are in a daze.. two of her classmates were killed an hr earlier on the way to football practice. they were twins, they ran a stop light and their best friend was coming from the other direction, he didn't have a stop sign, didn't see them, and wow ended up killing them.. anyhow life is just too short.. so hold on tight to them.. the parents are out of town.. but the twins died at the scene.. hannah said even in the small school..(her senior class is just 130..) she really didn't know them,.. but wow my heart is broken for the parents and family.. if you re-read mitch's interview i did.. he was a bit upset when i made the comment about seat belts.. but i was in an accident myself and have been paranoid about them since.. i often greet kids, hi.. how are you.. please wear your seat belt.. and every time i'm with the kids and they are driving, and they go by a 4-way stop sign intersection, or one that just has stop on one way.. i try so hard to tell them.. it doesn't matter what the signs say.. please, use caution! so please, just pray for those twins.. and yeah nag your own kids and friends for me to always take care on the roads.. your friend in Christ ~ suzan ===== ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:20:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/15/01 "Someday we'll be called to give an account, and I don't think our crown will be the music we wrote. I don't think our crown will be the words we wrote. I think it will be how we have built up the body of Christ, how we have torn down walls of suspicion and walls of fear, how we have shed light on false doctrines, how we've been encouraging truth, how that affects lives, and how we made Jesus visible..." Rich Mullins said songwriters write "not because the world has need of your music; you write because you have a need to make order, to organize things..." "...Everyone thinks that writers sit around in this perpetual fog of inspiration, and it's really just a fog of confusion. Sometimes it's a caffeine buzz, you never know exactly what it is. I think that most people that write, if they were honest, wouldn't say, 'Yes, God appeared to me and gave me this song.' For me, my understanding of the way things work is that after God made man, He told him to reproduce and be fruitful. It's a wonderful command that I'm not allowed to follow because I'm not married. He also told us to subdue the universe. I don't think He meant to exploit it, but that we were to try and create order out of chaos and organize things...If you want to talk about great music, there was enough great music written by the time Bach died that none of us ever needed to pick up a pen and write a note. You don't write because the world has need of your music; you write because you have a need to make order, to organize things. If you're a musician you express that very human, very common need by making music. If you're a baker, you do it by making bread. It's all the same goodness. It just expresses itself in different areas." Source: "Rich" thoughts from Christopher Coppernoll's _Soul 2 Soul_. These quotes were taken from chapter five entitled "Thunderbolt's and Lightning: The Writing of Music for God." (I don't know if this information is still accurate, but if you're interested in the book you might try contacting for ordering information. There is an address and a phone number, I just don't know the price. Music Square West, P.O. Box 2543, Brentwood, TN 37024, tele. 615-591-9514.) [Thanks, Sandy!] ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:18:20 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Ragamuffin List Members Fast & Prayer Day Dear Raga-Kin, Because the Ragamuffin list was on a brief hiatus during Legacy Fest, we didn't have our first Ragamuffin List Members Fasting and Prayer Day on the 11th of this month. I invite you all to join together tomorrow - Thursday, August 16th, in praying and fasting for your fellow Ragalist members, their families, and their needs. We need not know the intentions of each list member's heart to pray; we need only to ask Jesus to meet our brothers' and sisters' needs. As one of you used to say to comfort me in a hard time, "He knows." (If this notice reaches you too late for the 16th, please consider fasting on the 17th.) No prayer is to brief, no fast/sacrifice is too small - but do, please be generous. Let's storm Heaven for each other's needs! *** I am unable to maintain the Big Prayer List anymore (I don't think _any_ of us were able to pray it, with it being 22k!), and we will be starting from scratch early next month when I have more time to spend at the computer. I will attempt to post a monthly prayer list, with intentions only remaining on the list for one month. Just so you know that the Prayer List _will_ return eventually, and hopefully in improved format. *** What a privilege to join with you dear ones in prayer before the Throne of Abba! God bless you all! ~Chris Count It All Joy! ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:44:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Great news Rag-listers, Though you might like to know the following information we just received from Reunion Records: I am pleased to announce that the original Rich Mullins-Songs project has surpassed the 500,000 unit mark in sales and will be certified Gold sometime this fall. I will get you more information when official certification takes place but thought you'd want to know right away. What a bittersweet moment... Under the Mercy, Sprinkle ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/16/01 [Sometimes your spirit speaks louder than your voice. If that's the case, then this *is* a Rich quote.] Steve Stockman: I think when I think of Rich I think of that passage in John, chapter three where Jesus talks about the wind blowing wherever it pleases. Nobody knows where it's coming from. Nobody knows where it's going. It's kindof unpredictable and free. And Jesus isn't talking about the Holy Spirit there. He's talking about all those who live by the Spirit. And it seems to be that Rich Mullins lived that kind of a way. He was very unpredictable but he was someone who had this very focused idea on following Jesus. He wasn't interested in following leaders or following denominations or doctrines. And in Northern Ireland, for me those things, you look over your shoulder and you look around to see if you're pleasing other people. Rich only wanted to please Jesus.... ...Steve Stockman: This idea that he was Irish...I've no idea where it came from. I think it was half Irish and half everything and half about five different things, which you can't be half of, but he wanted to have a claim to it. And I'm not sure if that was his name Mullins or whether it was coming to Ireland and seeing it and falling in love with some kind of mythology of it. But certainly "The Color Green" was an Irish song and the Chieftains I know influenced that, and he played the hammered dulcimer I'll bet like the Chieftains would if they'd ever seen a hammered dulcimer. (Rich Mullins plays "78 Eatonwood Green") Source: Steve Stockman's thoughts on Rich Mullins - from the 1998 Homeless Man video transcript - found at www.kidbrothers.net/hm.html. The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank does not carry the video. To obtain a copy call 888-324-9673. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Blessed are the Left Out Every year, at some point while soaking in the Legacy Fest activities, my thoughts turn to those who were not as privileged to make it there. I always think of those who are sick, in financial straights, dealing with problems at home, etc., etc., etc. I think, "Maybe some day they'll get to come." I especially feel bad for those who are sooooo close, but just not close enough (like Paula last year). But, I also think of people who honestly don't have much of a chance just because they live 1/2 way around the world and it's not feasible. That's when I appreciate most the idea that I really don't live *that* far away, and it really doesn't cost *that* much for us to go. The other day I talked to a Raga-friend in England and got that sick "Oh man, she couldn't go" feeling. While Ceili Rain was playing this year, I thought of people like Steve Stockman (the true Irish) and wondered if they'll *ever* be able to participate. I just got an update letter from a project Steve is doing. I was browsing his website and ran across some "Be God's" thoughts. I figured some of you might like to check it out - www.stocki.ni.org/caress/begods.phtml. I noticed on my e-mail that he requested for people to sign his guestbook. Soooooo, if anyone *does* check out the above article, or the website, please make sure you let him know you were there. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer request - Kathy C Dear Raga-folks, Many of you remember Kathy Curzon, one of the original Ragamuffin list members. Some of you perhaps just last week visited with her at Legacy Fest. Kathy's friend Nancy Van Havere (also formerly of this list) asked me today to ask all of you to pray for Kathy C and her mom, that they will have peace. Kathy's stepfather died the day Kathy returned from Legacy Fest. Please keep them in your prayers during this time of mourning. Thank you, one and all for your prayers. Peace of Christ to you! ~Chris Count It All Joy! ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:15:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] One roll Well I spent most of my time at Legacy just "being", but I did manage to get a roll of film taken on Saturday afternoon. If you see any mistakes please let me know. http://members.home.net/bsully53/legacy01.htm ------- From: Connie B Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:50:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request I have a prayer request. I have a brother-in-law, Bill, who has leukemia. He is not doing well. He is in intensive care as he has contracted 2 strands of virus after his last round of chemo. This is difficult for me as I am not close to this person. In fact, we have never gotten along as he has been abusive to my sister, her kids, and the rest of my family. But at a time like this, I can only feel sadness for him. My biggest concern is that he does not know the Lord. I don't know this for a fact because I haven't been around him in a long time but I don't think he does. Please pray for him that if it is his time to go, that he find peace with God before this happens. I may try and visit him tonight if I have the courage. Please pray if I do, that God would give me the words to speak to him. If I don't make the visit, pray for his soul. Thanks so much. I know this list has many strong prayer warriors. The Legacy Fest was a great opportunity to reaquaint with those I met before and meet many new people. It was such a blessing to be there. Connie, a fellow Rag __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:47 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] a few legacyfest pics of mitch from lauren. hey, if you couldn't be there, it's good to see collections, like bobs of pics.. and of course danl with treat us to the max!.. enjoy a few from lauren of the mitch concert... that is if netscape cooperates.. http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerlauren2/23rd.html ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Cathy C Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] One roll thanks for sharing the pictures. (i thought i heard a camera during a song...) If anyone has any pictures of shawn or sparky, please let me know. thanx! - -cathy ===== Ask me how you can save the life of a child through Compassion International! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "rah" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] One roll Bob, thank you for the wonderful pictures. Now, I have faces to connect to the names. What a happy looking bunch of people are the rags! Ruth ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:28:00 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/17/01 BN - Early on you began writing with people like Amy Grant. I remember being pretty impressed by "Love of Another Kind." Did you originally want to be a writer who had hit songs? RM - When I came here, I was working with Randy Cox [now with Sparrow Publishing] and I touted myself as an artist. And I was very pretentious. Randy would beat me over the head and tell me I needed to write commercially: "If you're going to do art go to New York or somewhere else, but this is Nashville." I finally decided that instead of taking commercial writing as something cheap, I began to ask, "Can I say something in an easily accessible way, and still say something significant?" I don't want to sell out, to be a commercial writer. I want to be better than a commercial writer, I want to be better than an artist. I want to do both things. I want to say something significant. I still want to say what I believe and what I feel honestly, but I want people to be able to relate to it. That's kindof an impossible goal. ... BN - I keep hearing that you've given 10 years to your music and ministry, and that this is your last tour before you go off to serve God in mission work.... RM - Well, I do intend to go back to school and finish my degree, it's either now or never. As I get closer to 40, I realize that there are a lot of other things I still want to be able to do in my life. I want to finish college and be able to teach music therapy to native American kids on reservations. That's such a high risk situation. I love making records, it's a lot of fun. It's a little embarrassing but sometimes I think - and here's the worst ego statement of the day - "who'll do this if I don't?" It seems there are people who like what I do. And, I like being liked. I've had plenty, and if I were not able to do this anymore I would be happy. But I don't want to lock myself into or out of anything. I'm kind of aware that we're all capable of a lot more than we think. It's a matter of priorities: [Frederick] Buechner says, "Your calling is the place where your deepest joy and the world's greatest needs cross." Source: The article entitled "Rich Mullins: Taking Life Step By Step," in the June 1992 issue of CCM Magazine. You may read the entire article at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/ccmjun92.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: Connie B Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:28:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request This is an update to my earlier prayer request. My brother-in-law passed away a few hours ago. He died while I was in the room talking to him. I don't know for sure if he ever made peace with God but I believe that God kept him alive long enough for me to tell him that God loved him. Because of our uncomfortable history, I wasn't sure how I would feel when I saw him but I couldn't help but feel compassion for this person who no longer looked like the person I remembered. I told him the past was in the past and that Jesus loved him no matter what. He couldn't speak and was breathing hard. And then he was gone. It was so sad for his family but I have a sort of peace about it. Something in his eyes told me that he knew what I was saying. I can only pray that he accepted Christ in his heart in those last few moments. The next few days will be difficult for everyone. Your prayers, especially for his children would be appreciated. His eighteen year old son, Bill is in denial and very angry. He won't let anyone console him. His thirteen year old daughter, Laura, is not dealing with it very well. Her birthday is on Monday. She kept saying that he promised he would be there for her birthday. The other son, Jason - it's hard to tell. He is the quiet one. He's the oldest. My sister, Chris, I think is still in shock. Please pray that God will comfort all of them, and the rest of the family during this time, including me. It is always tough to lose someone but my biggest concern is that he is with Jesus. I can only hope. As my sister and Bill were separated and there is a girlfriend in the picture, pray that all of that goes well for the funeral. I am concerned that there will be some rough moments. Thanks so much for all of you great prayer warriors. It helps to know you are out there. Connie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:28:00 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [MitchMailList Dates/Links Update] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= URL of this post in the Archive Mitch McVicker 2001 Dates Page http://mitchmcvicker.com/dates =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi Mitch friends, Dan Starcher happened upon the Oak Island, NC 08/04 concert and forwarded a couple pictures. go to http://mitchmcvicker.com/mail/mml083.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This post is ONLY additions, updates, and one cancellation ... the complete list of dates is always available online at the URL at the top of this message. Contact info to book Mitch for an engagement: Doug or Wendee McVicker at 785-232-4189, or email doug-wendee@mitchmcvicker.com Tracey Moushon at 309-693-0258, or email traceymoush@saintmail.net (ALL DATES SUBJECT TO CHANGE) =-=-= 2001 =-=-= *** CANCELLED *** 08/24/2001 Athens, GA Beanr'y Coffeehouse [WEBMASTER NOTE: a personel change there has created an unavoidable last minute cancellation of this date. They will attempt to reschedule, but there are no details yet. We'll keep you posted.] *** added date *** 09/13/2001 Wichita, KS Faith and Learning Lecture Series, 9:30am Friends University, Alumni Auditorium, Davis Building For more info call 800-794-6945 *** updated info *** 09/14/2001 Wichita, KS thru 09/16 Friends University Private Retreat *** updated info *** 10/14/2001 Mt Pleasant, SC Concert with Satellite Soul Hibben United Methodist Church, 7:00pm 690 Coleman Blvd For more info contact Kyle Randle at 843-884-9761 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@mitchmcvicker.com Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ___________________________________________________________ Mitch McVicker Web Page - http://mitchmcvicker.com ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:28:00 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Single Try Chris Rice and Ginny Owens. They're both single and very content. ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer and Fast Day for the Artists, Saturday Aug 18th Just a gentle reminder that this Saturday, Aug 18th is the day we have set aside to pray and fast for the artists. We are now including more of the groups that were/are closely connected to Rich. I know we are probably leaving out other artists that you would like to see included. If you don't see a favorite artist included, feel free to add them in during your personal prayer time. If you can not fast from food for medical reasons, you might consider giving up something else instead. Examples could be sweets, computer/internet time, tv. Artists to remember in your prayer time: Mitch McVicker Eric and Britt Hauck Appalachian Quartet (Michael Aukofer, David Dibbern and Brad Layher) This Train (Jordan Richter, Mark Robertson and Cobra Joe Curet) former A Ragamuffin Band members (Jimmy Abegg, Mark Robertson, Aaron Smith, Rick Elias and Steve Latanation) David Strasser aka Beaker I was able to talk to Michael, Eric and Mitch at Legacy Fest and get their prayer requests: Mitch: "Once again, I would like prayer for energy. And to be able to discern God's will and not clutter my life full of things that would get in the way of what God would have for me. For ears to hear and the discipline to listen. And, that I would be able to see God in all the situations that I encounter. The pure in heart see God, so that is how it works for me, as my heart is purified I see God everywhere. But, I need a ton of prayer for that." Michael: His life is going great. So that is a praise. He has a wonderfully positive outlook and so getting prayer requests from Michael is not an easy task. So you may want to praise God for blessing Michael so greatly and that he has been able to do all that he has wanted to be able to do. I would suggest praying that life would continue to go so well for him. Things that he wouldn't mind prayer for are his move to Kentucky and that he would be able to settle in easily. He will be teaching percussion and going for his doctorate degree. You may want to pray for him as he enters into these new experiences. Eric and Britt: (I am going to copy and paste Jen Taylor's note from earlier this week, since it pretty much says the same thing that Eric told me, and she already has it typed!) 1. safety and success traveling in our new (but old) van GUS - 2. that God would give us a vision and guidance about HOW to use the platform he has given us with our music....what are the messages he wants us to communicate as we perform....there is only so much that can be said in a show, and we want to be God's vessels, not just blowing hot air....if that makes sense.... 3. Excellence with our new music and discipline to prepare,....with our new cd out, there have been soooo many details to take care of, and practicing music seems to be the last thing we have time for.,,,,so our prayer is for discipline to live in God's priorities.... 4. Unity and joy in our marriage....britt is amazing, and we know without Christ, our relationship would diminish...so we need him.... I will add that Eric mentioned to me was for God's provision and vision for the video project. For funds and completion of this project. He also would like prayer for wisdom and direction in their touring. Praises: Gus is running. They are healthy. Sorry that I don't have prayer requests for everyone else. Please pray in general for God's blessings and guidance for their lives. That God would be able to work through the ministries of their lives and that He would meet those needs that we may not know of, but He does. Thanks for joining with me in prayer for these brothers and sisters in Christ. Jen Guyer ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: Janf1914@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Single In a message dated 8/17/01 4:28:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sawoodsy@spiff.net writes: > Try Chris Rice and Ginny Owens. They're both single and very content. > Margaret Becker also. She speaks at singles conferances and other places. ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/17/01 Ok, I just *have* to correct Richard on this one, especially since he got the Buechner quote from a sign over my desk! The actual quote, one of my favorites, is: "The place you are called to be is that place where your deep gladness and the world's deep hunger meet." ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Plight and Promise Robert Stevenson Stockman says, "The night we arrived in Windowrock we couldn't find Rich. We almost left we were so out of sorts with the place. Uncomfortable. Like, what right did we have to be in this nation's country never mind their reservation. Anyway, all that I was thinking was summed up in the eyes of the beautiful Navaho girl who served us at Dunkin Donuts. We talked alot to Rich about the obscenity of what had been done and continues to be done to the native American Indian people. I was so appalled and angry at my own childhood that portrayed these beautiful people as savages. I was taken aback at my expectations of apaches on the rocks as we drove in. This poem was written the next day on a drive to Monument valley. It was taken from our conversation and is the only poem of mine I can be sure Rich read. He thought I had it right." NAVAJO INDIAN GIRL Spoke to a Navajo Indian girl If she'd smiled she'd have been so pretty Does she look at me in anger Or out of a sense of pity Why should she look at me at all Why should she forgive Was it worse to murder in cold blood Or take away life and make her live Her father's drunk in Albuquerque Her mother's on the game I wonder as I look into her eyes Will she end up the same The white man spits in his heart at her Because of what her father does But all I see are only effects And not where I find the cause Sorry seems such a useless word One hundred years too late to repent In the inhumanity of this reservation I see the traces of what Hitler meant. WINDOWROCK, ARIZONA - May 11, 1993, by Robert Stevenson Stockman http://www.stocki.ni.org/ The Legacy 2001, Friday night Ask Bill Miller spoke to us, to me, I was uncomfortable. His heartfelt cry, his pain and anger, directed at so many, but why did I feel like the target, and even more convicting, why did I feel like the source? I could no longer claim to be the victim of ignorance, it wasn't impassiveness or indifference, because I knew I cared. Could it be shame? The shame of prejudice, buried so deeply, so many years ago, so as not to see it in myself, so not to believe it of those I loved. With one strike of the blade Bill had unearthed this unclean chest, and now stood before me with a Key. The Key was the name he so boldly proclaimed as the demons of his life surrounded him and continued their attack. That name was Jesus and I watched as Bill's prayer was moved from words to a graceful, delicate, forceful sound. A prayer of music beyond words, dedicated to the glory and promises of God. As the set ended and Bill unplugged his equipment, we wanted an encore, Bill wanted to go. God wanted more. I watched as He poured out His love through the living channel, His children. I watched as He took the ordinary women and men He had positioned on stage, and do through them the extraordinary. The demons could not scurry quickly enough to avoid the dissipating power of the Light. God gave us an answer and He did it center-stage, with the house lights up, so that no one that was looking would fail to see. Help me to see You in everyone Lord, as I find You in me. ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request Dearest Connie, How my heart breaks for you and your family in this situation! Please be assured that my heart and prayers are with you, and trust the Holy Spirit to work in you and through you to bring comfort and hope to those around you. It only takes a little bit of Light to dispel the darkness! Peace dear heart, Paula "For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11 ------- From: "Peter Welz" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] soul2soul Because I forgot to ask Robin Woodson at Legacy Fest for more information about Soul2Soul, I contacted Chris Coppernoll about more specifics regarding his book. He asked me how I had even read excerts, and he said that interviewing Rich was one of the highlights of his career. If you want to order a copy there is a suggested donation of $15.00 (shipping included). He has a one to two day turn around and the copy will be signed. Music Square West, P.O. Box 2543, Brentwood, TN 37024 Peace - Linda ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] soul2soul >I contacted Chris Coppernoll about > more specifics regarding his book. If you want to order a copy... Thanks for the specifics, Linda! I'll make a note of it, and when I use a quote from it again, I'll make sure I post the detail you provided. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] One roll Hey Bob, Thanks for shooting the photos. Fun to put faces with the names. Nice to see Robin and family. Looks like fun. Hope I can go some day. David Banta ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] what was lost.... > > has been found! I found Cabot outside my friend's apartment after five days > of being on the lam. I'm so relieved my knees are still weak. thank you for > your prayers for Cabot's safety, his return home and my peace of mind. Visions of a cool cat krooning, "I once was lost (with a little skat...or is it scat?)..skoo, bee, bop, dweet, dweet, dooty, dooo....and now am found!" are dancing in my head. We have three cats, a love bird and a Great Dane-size English pointer...nearly the entire food chain (need a mouse) and cats are a gas. A ritual of Ted's (Ted is the smaller of the Black and White boys....the dog is the other.) is to stand on his hind legs and try the doorknob to the bathroom when he hears that my shower is done. I let him in while drying off in the tub. He comes over and puts his front paws on the edge of the tub, extending his left for a hand shake (I actually taught him this). Then, I let him lick my hand and smooth it over his head like I am giving him a cat bath (it is after all, bath time). Stroke. Stroke. Lick. Lick. Stroke. Stroke. Pet are a blessing from the Lord. Glad he found you again! Peace of the Lord, David Banta ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich Quote of the Day - 08/17/01 > Ok, I just *have* to correct Richard on this one, Oh me, oh my!!! I'm gonna step out for a moment, okay? :) > especially since he got the > Buechner quote from a sign over my desk! Well, I guess you'd know then. Hmmmmmm. I guess we'll have to humbly accept the correction. :) Thanks for helping us get it right. I've always LOVED that Rich Quote. (Imagine that!) Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request Dearest Connie, How my heart breaks for you and your family in this situation! Please be assured that my heart and prayers are with you, and trust the Holy Spirit to work in you and through you to bring comfort and hope to those around you. It only takes a little bit of Light to dispel the darkness! Peace dear heart, Paula "For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11 ------- From: "Peter Welz" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] soul2soul Greetings: I looked up Soul 2 Soul on the Internet and discovered that a taped 1996 interview with Rich was available. I ordered it today after speaking with Chris Coppernoll. I'm anxious to get it. Chris asked how I heard about this and I told him I'm a member of the Ragamuffin List. He is familiar with *us* ... sounds like he's talked with a few rags recently. Ruth - --- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Welz" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: [ragamuffin] soul2soul > > > Because I forgot to ask Robin Woodson at Legacy Fest for more > information about Soul2Soul, I contacted Chris Coppernoll about > more specifics regarding his book. He asked me how I had even > read excerts, and he said that interviewing Rich was one of the > highlights of his career. If you want to order a copy there is a > suggested donation of $15.00 (shipping included). He has a one to > two day turn around and the copy will be signed. > > Music Square West, P.O. > Box 2543, Brentwood, TN 37024 > > > Peace - Linda > > > --- > > > ------- From: "Rene' Salvatore" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:15:29 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Update on Dad Hey All~ Sorry I haven't updated in a few days. It has been a really stressful week and I have just now got it together enough, to write. Dad came home from the hospital on Thursday. On Tuesday they did a heart cath and found that 90% of his main artery was blocked, so they went ahead and did an angioplasty and inserted a stint into his heart. The doctor said it was like a small straw, that keeps the artery open and the blood flow going. Then on Wednesday, they transferred him to another hospital, near Pittsburgh, to do a more extensive cath, to see if by any chance he needed a pace maker. He had been having black out episodes and they wanted to make sure it wasn't his heart that was doing it. That one showed no further problems and they decided that it was his diabetes that was causing the problems and they could regulate that with meds. Sooo, he is home now. Restless and wanting to do way more than what he is able to do and he is not to happy with his wife and daughter in law, who are watching him like a hawk and won't let him do ANYTHING he is not suppose too. :) I want to thank all of you for the prayers that you lifted up on his behalf. I know that it was those prayers that kept him out of harms way and allowed him and our family to come through this as well as we did. Thank you again everyone. To God Be the Glory In His Love and Grace Rene' ===== ãBut the bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and da nger alike, and yet not withstanding go out to meet itä -Thucydides- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:36:27 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! I don't believe I know anyone yet on this list, unless I met you at Legacy 2001 last weekend. That is where I heard about this list and I am so glad I did. I have only rec'd a couple of posts, but I am already in there prayin' for everyone. Thanks for being here, and allowing me to join. Blessings.....in His Care.....Teresa ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:36:27 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/18/01 (Rich-related Artists Prayer & Fasting Day) [Sometimes By Step,Creed, applause] Rich: God bless you all! Good night! (applause) [No Not One] (sung acappella) (applause) Rich: Do ya'll know, [I'm Gonna Sing, Sing, Sing; Swing Low, Sweet Chariot; When The Saints Go Marching In] Rich: Ok, now I gotta divide you into three groups to do the rest of this song, so you people over there in that section, and you people over there, way over there in that section, you're gonna be Group A. You people here in this section, Eric pay attention. These people over here, this is Group B. (cheers) And you guys right here, you're the 'leftovers.' (cheers) Now before we get into this, I want to say one more thing to ya--and that is, the people that Christ came for first were the 'leftovers.' (cheers) And Jesus has a special place in His heart for the oppressed, and I hope that we won't forget about them. I hope that you will go back and look at the Compassion stuff. I hope that you can become part of a wonderful ministry, and that you will know the joy of being a part of that. Now we're gonna sing, so Group A, you're going to sing with Mark and with Mitch, you're gonna sing, [I'm Gonna Sing, Sing, Sing] Rich: Can you hear 'em? Group A, c'mon, you gotta sing louder than that. You just keep singing that, sing louder. Group B, you sing with him (Eric). [Swing Low, Sweet Chariot] Rich: Hey leftovers, are y'all ready? I'm gonna sing with you, we're gonna sing, [When The Saints Go Marching In] Rich: All right! All together I want to hear you singing, [I'm Gonna Sing, Sing, Sing] Rich: Thanks again! One more song, it goes: [the Doxology, 'Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow'] Source: The August 10, 1997 Green Bay Community Church concert transcript - found at http://www.kidbrothers.net/rmml/rmml209/greenbay.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:36:27 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Eric and Britt's new CD Baby, my singing German Shepherd, really likes their new CD. She was singing along with the cello/harp bit at the end of the last song on the CD. LOL. This week she also sang along with Alvin Slaughter, black gospel praise and worship. She sang more with the Haucks CD, though. That must be her new favorite. She hadn't sung since the Appalachian Quartet CD at C'mas. However, she and Sam, my golden retriever, predictably did not think much of "Half a Cup", so I have to turn it off before that one comes on. They give me really weird looks when it plays. I don't want to give them any ideas of turnabout being fair play; they know where I keep the antifreeze. ......(<: P-I Jean ___________________º_____________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: Dommers18@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:13:45 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Hey All! Hey Everyone!! Well, I kind of stumbled upon you guys through a friend. And I am glad I did. I have read through past posts and have looked at many of the different sites (rags, this train, danl's site, legacy and many many others. You guys seem like a great bunch of people. Only problem is I am far away from where most of you all are. But at least we have this list!!! Well, just a quick prayer for my mom--she is going next week to find out if the tumor in her ankle is cancerous and then she finds out monday if she has diabetes on top of that. So would you guys mind saying a little prayer for her--she needs it!! Thanks dom ------- From: "rah" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:13:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Welcome, Teresa. Good to have you a part of our group. God bless you, Ruth ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:13:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! I think I met you, Teresa. You were in Mac Powell's class, and you spoke about Andy, the praise and worship leader at your church, and I told you about my nephew, Dave. Is that you? Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:06:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! > I don't believe I know anyone yet on this list, unless I met you at Legacy > 2001 last weekend. You're a step ahead of just about everyone here, then. I don't know many Ragalisters who actually got to know other listers face-to-face *before* joining (unless they are people who were already friends). > I am already in there prayin' > for everyone. WOW! That's great to know. We can always use more pray-ers -- and prayers. > Thanks for being here, Thanks for joining us. It's great to have you. We hope you enjoy your stay. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:06:25 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/19/01 "...I don't know if you've ever heard, there's this Chinese guy that used to work at a deli, or at a little bakery shop, pastry shop, across the street from where Billy Sunday used to preach in Boston. And people by the thousands were going to hear Billy Sunday preach. Between services this little coffee shop would be jam-packed with people who had just been to church, and the people were so *cruel* to this kid. He was a college student, he was trying to get along. He didn't speak really good English and people were very angry at him because of that. People didn't leave good tips and people would leave chunks of trash on the floor after they'd eaten. He was so sickened by Christians and Christianity that when he went back to China and became Chairman Mao, he was determined to wipe the church out of China. What I'm wondering is what would have happened if people who were going to church, people who were discussing sermons would have been generous to him, would have been kind to him, would have in their dealings with him reflected the love of Christ? Sometimes we think that our writing and our music is so important that we have the right to run over people. Just please remember that we don't. Remember what St. Francis said: 'Preach always. If necessary, use words.'" Source: A Message to the Media, by Rich Mullins, given to assembled media at Creation '96 Festival. You can read it in its entirety at www.kidbrothers.net/interviews/media.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:06:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hey All! > Hey Everyone!! Hi, Dom! [from Everyone] > Well, I kind of stumbled upon you guys through a friend. And I am glad I did. So are we. > I have read through past posts and have looked at many of the different sites > (rags, this train, danl's site, legacy and many many others. Wow! You sound ambitious! > You guys seem > like a great bunch of people. We *are*! (Hehe, haha.) > Only problem is I am far away from where most > of you all are. Where's that? > But at least we have this list!!! Yes! > Well, just a quick prayer > for my mom...is going next week to find out i6f the tumor in her ankle is > cancerous...diabetes [??] on top of that. Thanks for jumping in so quickly and allowing us to join in your prayer concerns. We will indeed keep her in our prayers. Please keep us informed as to what the outcome is. We like prayer updates. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:06:25 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Re: Rich QOTD - 08/19/01 This had best be viewed as a parable, because it is in fact not factual :) I don't know where Rich picked the story up. Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:06:25 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi Jean, Yep, that was me.....I do remember you. We had a couple of great moments of sharing. My head is still reeling from last weekend. The fellowship, the workshops, the worship, the people, the heat.....and not enough sleep...:o) That is really strange that you remembered the name Andy...was that what I said? It was Aaron that was killed, and Andrew is my son, they were very close. Wasn't Mac terrific?!?!?!!? I have enjoyed him and Third Day for a long time. It was great to be able to hear him speak about worship. I have always considered their music to totally be worship. Remembering Rich was pretty powerful, and I am grateful for his legacy. I first heard his music right around the time he died. After a few weeks or a couple of months I realized it was waaaaay special. Now that I have found other ragamuffins, and those seeking the Lord with all they have......I can't get enough!!! I am very much a 'baby christian', so if I seem kinda off the wall....please be patient as I grow and learn. Blessings... Teresa ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:08:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi, Teresa, I'm so glad it's you. We were all baby Christians once. I was a baby Christian when I first heard of Rich, and I learned so much from Rich's lyrics and writings about living the life. No, you said "Aaron". I'm not good at names. Be blessed! P-I Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:46:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Dear Friend... I am really glad it's you, too! Houston, right? I am sooooo much a baby christian....I have to re-dedicate my life several times a day......just like Rich said. My most serious committment was about this time a year ago. I had been way out there....in the world, knew that I was saved, but sinned like I didn't know any better. Ever been like that? So it is truly, "step by step", for me right now So pray for me and my walk.....I stumble...A LOT!! But have not returned to the point where I was a year ago. Thanks to God's grace..... Love, Teresa ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:47:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! on 8/19/01 7:06 AM, sawoodsy at sawoodsy@spiff.net wrote: > > >> I don't believe I know anyone yet on this list, unless I met you at > Legacy >> 2001 last weekend. > > You're a step ahead of just about everyone here, then. I don't know > many Ragalisters who actually got to know other listers face-to-face > *before* joining (unless they are people who were already friends). There are a few that were cyber-friends on the Rich Mullins Mailing List and met at concerts before Rich died. I can think of at least a half a dozen I met before this list started. ___________________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@mitchmcvicker.com Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ___________________________________________________________ Mitch McVicker Web Page - http://mitchmcvicker.com ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:39:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi! This is the Miller's /Greg , Juli,Johnnie&Hannah. Welcome to the family, world wide that is. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ. The sad thing is like Christ; It took Rich's death bring us together. We here to help encourage or just listen. Amy Grant once sang a song angles watching over me and I Rich's is looking down and smiling. Knowing his dream did come true. His music and ministry outlived him. Well God bless G,J,J&H.:> I John 4:7/8 ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:23:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi Miller's!!! Thanks for welcoming me....this seems to be somewhere I needed to be. I trust the Lord in every step I take, or move I make. He has really been blessing me all over the place lately. My prayer's of late have been many many thank you's.....along with my prayers for others. In His care, Teresa ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:23:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi Danl, I did meet you at Legacy Fest, I was one in a sea of faces I'm sure to you....I got a terrific picture of you and Lisa Sprinkle standing in the doorway of Michael's beginner's dulcimer class!!! It was nice putting a name to a face. I have been on Mitch's list for a long time....I thing he is a pretty amazing musician!!! Blessings, Teresa ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:14:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi, Teresa, yes, it's Houston, just like Gilda. Don't trash yourself too much about your past; I'm learning that lots of us have one. I was saved at 11 and then at 19 became a prodigal daughter, oh, for about 30 years. It's soooooooo good to be back where I belong, with Him/Them (the 3 in 1). You'll keep on learning and become a more mature Christian, Step by Step. If you're open to it, the Holy Spirit will teach you things, too; just listen for that still small voice, and you'll also hear other people saying things at times that you just KNOW are for you from Him, song lyrics -- certain things will just leap out at you, and you'll feel your spirit leap with recognition of certain things that you didn't know you knew. I have a few relatives who are like the prodigal's older brother, so that was stressful, until they realized that this wasn't just a passing fancy, until they saw me suffer some in order to do the right thing. Now they believe me. So, toddle around; He's a great daddy who won't let you go too far wrong if you listen! Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:48:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request I took my blood pressure today at Albertson's == 171/80. Whoa! That's with taking my meds. That's NOT good. I've been resting all weekend anyway cuz I feel like warmed over dog doo-doo. Our reorganization at work should be complete by mid-September and the weather should be cooler by then, but I need some relief now. Please keep me in your prayers for this week; I'll keep resting all week other than minor chores and going to work. Thank you, guys. Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:48:54 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/20/01 Someone asked, "For all the single women here, do you think you'll ever get married?" He laughed, and said, "I'm having so much fun single that I can't imagine having more fun being married, and by the time I'm ready to be married I'll be too old to be of any use to anyone." Source: A detailed account of Rich's seminar at Agape Fest '96 by Kathie Scott - from the [RichMailList 68]. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: jennifer taylor Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:53:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Hi you guys, I just thought I would let you know that my grandmother is concerned for me. She thinks that maybe I have joined a cult and that is what draws me up to Wichita each year. She has warned me to be careful. I tried to explain it to her but she doesn't quite understand it all. Who knows, Maybe she's right in a weird way. The "cult" of the Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank just has some sort of strange power over me and I just can't seem to keep myself from loving every minute of it. It took everything in me not to giggle when she finally confessed her concern. Of course, I aim to set her straight... I might have to leave out the part about the Balaam band. KJV or not, I'm not sure she'd get it. love jennifer ===== ********************************************************* "To live is so startling, it leaves but little room for other occupations though Friends are if pos sible an event more fair." Emily Dickinson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:53:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Hi Jean. This is Greg, of the millers. I really understand the blood pressure thing. I have a little bit of the weight thing witch brings it up. Then there is the diabetes. So all our prayers are with. I know a lot of the problems with me is the years of living hard and but head like on my own away from my beloved savior Jesus. But the past is the past. You take care of your self. God bless the penguin man Greg. I john 4:7/8 ------- From: "Sharon Lungo" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:53:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Urgent call for support! Just received this from my pastor about an event that occured on a rez, in brackets. He forwarded a message from the rez, below his. [Hi everyone: I just got back from a Training for Trainers conference put on by the Human Rights Center at the Univ. of Minn. While there I learned from some of my indigenous friends about the issues at Big Mountain, relocation, environmental racism, and oppression. I've forwarded this most recent event. The complete disregard for Native American Sacred lands is appalling, and I would urge all of you to familiarize yourself with this issue, by contacting the name at the end of this email to get more information. There is something all of us can do in this struggle. If we are silent, we allow ourselves to keep perpetuating it, and to be a part of this system that ignores and desecrates the human rights of Native Americans and Indigenous peoples. Two other websites are: www.treatycouncil.org and www.iacenter.org, and www.aisc.org. Blessings! Chris] >>From : Robert Dorman To : Dukebeam@aol.com Subject : Fwd: BIGMTLIST Urgent call for support! Date : Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:36:01 -0700 Delivered-To: redorman@theofficenet.com To: BIGMTLIST@topica.com From: Robert Dorman Subject: BIGMTLIST Urgent call for support! Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:49:06 +0000 Reply-To: redorman@theofficenet.com X-Topica-Id: <998070546.web017.22744.1000002> X-Topica-Loop: 1700010175 List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: From: "Sharon Lungo" To: Subject: Urgent call for support! Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:06:36 -0700 Dear Big Mountain supporters, I have just recieved an emergency phone call from the land. This morning Friday August 17, 2001 at 5:30 a.m. Hopi Rangers, BIA police, and Navajo Police entered the Anna Mae Sundance grounds and began dismantling the arbor. The sacred Tree of Life was also removed. A car has been impounded and a Dineh youth has been arrested. I am ommitting their names until I can get permission to post them. There is an urgent call for supporters, observers, and media. I will let you know as I recieve more details. Sharon ______________________________ Sharon Lungo Action Resource Center P.O. Box 2104 Venice, CA 90294 slungo@enviroweb.org Save Big Mountain Coalition LA savebigmountainla@saveourplanet.org (310) 396-3254 ph (310) 392-9965 fx ========================================= Please visit http://www.theofficenet.com/~redorman/pagea~1.htm for more background on the Big Mountain relocation issue. To post to the list, email your message to redorman@theofficenet.com. To subscribe, send an email to: BIGMTLIST-subscribe@topica.com. To unsubscribe, send an email to: BIGMTLIST-unsubscribe@topica.com ==^================================================================ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1des7.b1jWZZ Or send an email To: BIGMTLIST-unsubscribe@topica.com This email was sent to: redorman@theofficenet.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: CedarRose4@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:3:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Hi, Jennifer! :) My elderly father (probably the same generation as your grandmother) made the same comment before LegacyFest. I told him that with all the different denominations represented, some people there were bound to view mainline Protestants such as myself as cult members (hehe). The way that I'm *trying* to prove it isn't so, is by emphazising the credentials of various Fes leaders, such as Dr. Jeff Bjork, a professor at Fuller Seminary, Kenny Blackwood , a political leader of the Northern Cree, and David Mullins' ordination in a "mainline" denomination like the Disciples of Christ. Anyhoo, if this is a cult, it's a good one to belong to!! Hang in there, Jennifer! :) It was so nice meeting you this year. Please know I'm praying for your brother, and your family. {{{{HUGS}}}} Peace, Louisa aka Caroline ------- From: "rholling" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:34:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Jennifer, Sometimes, I wonder what people in my world think of my fixation with Rich Mullins and The Legacy. One thing I know for certain (and frequently tell those around me) is that my walk with Jesus has become more sweet and my hunger for God has become pronounced. All things considered, I know God has led me to this place and I rejoice. May your grandmother be pleased with the spiritual results of your association with The Legacy. Ruth ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:51:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! Hi Teresa . This is Greg again. Hey we're all babies one way or another. I've only been back in the fold about a year. The funny thing is it was Rich and his writings and music even though he though was all ready with Jesus that saved me. So some where out there some one had to be praying for me to see the light and send him my way. So don't worry were all in this together. Well take care. In his name the miller's ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:51:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Hi Jennifer, I missed the original post, but from the subject and content of responses it sounds like you have a loving and concerned grandma. God has blessed you. There are two ways general ways to define a cult. The first way to describe a cult is popular in the secular media. From this perspective, a cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. The second way to define a cult is popular in evangelical Christian circles. >>From this perspective, a cult is any group that deviates from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds. Neither is the case with the Legacy fest. As others mentioned there is a diverse group in attendance, I myself belong to the Calvary Chapel Church. WE BELIEVE THE BIBLE TO BE THE INSPIRED, THE ONLY INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD AND INERRANT IN THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD, ETERNALLY EXISTENT IN THREE PERSONS, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. WE BELIEVE IN THE DEITY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, IN HIS VIRGIN BIRTH, IN HIS SINLESS LIFE, IN HIS MIRACLES, IN HIS VICARIOUS AND ATONING DEATH THROUGH HIS SHED BLOOD, IN HIS BODILY RESURRECTION, IN HIS ASCENSION TO THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER AND HIS PERSONAL RETURN IN POWER AND GLORY. WE BELIEVE THAT THE LOST AND SINFUL MAN MUST BE SAVED, AND THAT MANS ONLY HOPE OF REDEMPTION 1S THROUGH THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD. WE BELIEVE W THE PRESENT MINISTRY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BY WI HOSE INDWELLING THE CHRISTIAN IS ENABLED TO LIVE A GODLY LIFE. WE BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF THE SAVED AND UNSAVED; THEY THAT ARE SAVED, UNTO ETERNAL LIFE AND THEY THAT ARE UNSAVED UNTO ETERNAL DAMNATION. WE BELIEVE IN THE SPIRITUAL UNITY OF BELIEVERS IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. I think anyone that listens to what Rich Mullins was saying, closely enough, was that he wanted us not to adore him, but to adore God, to memorize bible verses rather than lyrics to his songs, to let God lead your life, to your trust and faith in Him. That's what I hear, a honest man, who was able to share God's word through the ministry of his songs and words. He gave all the glory to God. Yours in Christ, Bob ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:51:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried HI Jennifer. I understand your grandma's concerned too. I myself have never been(due to lack of money time, family. Ect) but it's because of Rich and the kid brother's my life is right with Christ. Little do they know it. Oh about a year ago my life was a mess. I was about to loose everything because my life was not right. Well my wife in a last ditch effort before she took the kid's and through in the towel she got me Rich's book. I just about wepped all the way through it. I saw a lot of the battle's Rich had I had, with family life ect. I changed my life. I still have along way to go but everyday is less of struggle with the help of god, Jesus, and Rich and the guy's. When ever life seems unbearable I list ion to one of them. Everything seems to come back into focus that and the good book. Well good luck with grandma and remind her about the early church gathering on the mound to list ion to Jesus. Greg , juli , Johnnie and Hannah. I john 4:7/8 ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:16:31 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] prayer I just received this from a dear friend... please pray for his mom . Thanks Mark Brantley wrote: > Please take a few minutes for me and pray for my mother (Toni). I got word > this afternoon > that she has a brain tumor; it appears to be a small one and the doctors may > have caught it > early. We're still waiting on more details and don't know if it's cancerous > or what exact course > of action they'll take. > > Please pray for her as you think about it each day!! > > Pray for: > > - strength and faith for my dad & family > - doctors have caught it early > - tumor is non-cancerous > - wise counsel for doctors and the medical team > > Praise God for: > > - symptoms that may have lead to early detection > - tumor appears to be small and detected early > - my Dad's Walmart job and very good medical coverage > > Thanks prayer warriors; You never know when you may need a prayer warrior > for your family. > > In Him > > Mark Brantley ------- From: Natleigh58@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:28:35 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Healing America's Wounds When I was in Wichita, I saw the book Healing America's Wounds by John Dawson - -- I thought of buying it but kept browsing. Well, lo and behold, this past Saturday night, SkyAngel (satellite) broadcast the video series of this excellent book. It is all about reconciliation: between Natives and whites, between African Americans and whites, other people groups who have been abused and used in our nation. I couldn't take my eyes off the program -- it is EXCELLENT! They even included clips of Rich with Richard Twiss (Wiconi International) and used Brothers Keeper as part of their soundtrack. They also showed a very short clip of Mrs. Linda Prince of First Nations as she was worshiping the Lord. I highly recommend the video and now I AM going to buy the book. The video is available for sale at www.globalnetproductions.com for $29.95. God bless all of you ragamuffins -- Natalie ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 06:30:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Thanks, penguin man and family! Like you, I didn't take good enough care of myself in the past -- too much career, not enough home, too much coffee, too much alcohol, and I need to lose some weight, too. So I'm resting up now, and feeling better today. Thanks to everyone who has replied and who has prayed for me. I really appreciate it. I had a lot of other symptoms, too, and I don't know why, but I kept those to myself [perhaps I thought y'all were psychic?] and they are getting better, too. I slept 20 hours on Sat. and 16 on Sunday. I feel human again. Bless you guys, Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 06:30:39 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/21/01 "...mankind has for thousands of years looked inwardly to find out who he is or where he is or what he's all about or where he's going. And he has never been able to find the answer within himself. And the entire Bible is a history of God trying to tell us who we are - trying to tell us who we are in Him and who we are without Him. Contemporary people, modern people in contemporary society, do not like being told anything by anybody, but I think that it's time that we began to listen to the voice of God. Because apart from it we have nothing but decadence, we have nothing but decay. And the building, the structures that we have come up with that we hoped would give some sort of shelter to ourselves - they have begun to disappear, they have begun to decay, they are falling apart and the world is left in a lurch. This is why I'm so glad that we have a Bible. I'm so glad that we have an authoritative answer to our questions. Not because I'm unwilling to search for myself, but there's a point where searching becomes pretty meaningless if there's no hope of finding . And I think what the scriptures do is they give us the hope of finding things. I want to call your attention to Second Peter... Now this is the second time I've gone through this, because we just made this tape a minute ago, only I got a little longwinded, which is a tendency that I have. I have to confess. And I was still talking when the tape ran out, so I'm going to have to repeat myself, and I hope I can do it a little more concisely In second peter the first chapter the third verse Peter says, his divine power (or God's divine power) has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who has called through his own glory and goodness. Divine power gives us what we need for life. When we try to live our lives under our own steam. When we try to live our lives under our own direction, we end up nowhere. Time and time again, this happens - we've already discussed that a little bit. But, His divine power has given us everything we need for life. His divine power empowers us to live. It gives us the capacity for meaningfulness. It gives us an ability to find some kind of significance. To find out who we are in Him. That comes from His power. Also, through his power, we have everything we need for Godliness. Godliness is sometimes not a real popular idea because generally when we think of godliness, we get a picture of one of the holiness women with the beehive hair-dos. Or the German Baptist guys who grow beards and shave their mustaches. And everyone looks funny who has presented themselves as being Godly. Or we think of TV evangelists and we know there's nothing godly about most of them. So we're a little bit afraid of this word, a little bit embarrassed by it because it's been so badly misused. When you think of what it means to be Godly, we don't need to think in terms of those images. What we need to understand is what godliness according to what God says. When we think of Godliness, we need to think about the character of God. And when we think of the character of God, the great attribute of God that marks God is love. And that is also the thing that marks godly people is love. And who of us don't want to be alive and who of us don't want to be loving - able to give and receive love..." Source: The 1988 _Called_ monologue for Christ in Youth - found at www.kidbrothers.net/interviews/calling.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:49:16 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich Hello Rags, I have found a picture of Rich when he had a full beard. You can find it on the photo page at www.jonathannoel.com. I haven't seen many pictures with him bearded. Does anybody know about what time and how long he had his beard? The young guy in the picture is me (I wish). He is actually a singer/songwriter named Jonathan Noel. He will be opening for Andrew Peterson when he tours this fall. He has written songs for Jars of Clay. In the past he has toured with Fernando Ortega and Margaret Becker. I now wonder if Rich ever completely shaved his head. I would love to see that picture. Be God's, Rick ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:49:16 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Hey Rags, I burned a CD last night entitled Then and Now. I highlighted 9 artists with two songs each. One from their first album and 1 from their most recent. Most of the artists on this CD have been around for at least 10 years. I had to include Rich. I used Elijah from the first album and Hard to Get from the last. I was curious to know what songs from the first and last you would use? Also..I noticed that Rich's voice changed significantly between 1986 and 1997. His voice seemed much higher (speaking and singing)in the earlier years. Does anybody know why his voice changed show much? Well..Be God's fellow rags, Rick ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request >I slept 20 hours on Sat. and 16 on Sunday. I feel > human again. Jean, If I ever get to stop driving truck, this will be my dream. Good for you! May the Lord heal you and keep you in the palm of His hand. David Banta ------- From: Kelli Paslawski Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Hi Jen, (loved bob's picture of us, and Kathy) If she really is concerned that it is a cult, you might want to show her the Legacy's statement of faith. I think I seen it on the web site. I think its Rich's song, Creed. Then that may set her mind at ease. If she's a christian, she probably is earnestly concerned. She needs to have peace about it that her granddaughter is following the True God. Even if the Legacy/Rich related things are producing fruit in us, others may not be comfortable because it will not carry a denomanation, which is personally lOVE, but others are un sure of. good luck and keep up the good witness, Kelli jennifer taylor wrote: - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now >Does anybody know why his voice changed show much? > Well..Be God's fellow rags, Rick Weird things start to happen when you move towards and into your 40's....skin, hair.....very strange....apparently the Lord has a great sense of humor! David Banta ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich Rick, Thanks for sharing that web page. Always glad to get ear candy. Photo of Rich choked me up. Love in Christ, David Banta ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Box Tops for Education Howdy folks!! Several months ago I mentioned saving box tops for education (from General Mills products see http://www.boxtopsforeducation.com/ for more info). Well, with the new school year about to begin, I thought that it is time to collect and send the box tops in. The plan is to send them to me (email me if you are interested and I will send you my snail mail addy) and then I will send all the ones we gather as a group to St. Labre in Ashland, MT. St. Labre is located on a reservation in the southeast corner of Montana and ironically enough, I used to teach about 2-3 hours from there in a country school. By collecting the box tops, we can help the school raise money for much needed supplies. Start clipping those tops and send them to me by Sept. 25. I plan on mailing a bunch to St. Labre on Oct. 1. A second bunch will be sent out around March/April. peace, love and penguin hugs c. ------- From: "rholling" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich Hey, Rick, Thanks for the site to see Rich with a beard ... cool! Ruth ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:58:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hi, Hello & Howdy! on 8/19/01 8:23 PM, Teresa at tderegge@prodigy.net wrote: > > > Hi Danl, > > I did meet you at Legacy Fest, I was one in a sea of faces I'm sure to > you....I got a terrific picture of you and Lisa Sprinkle standing in the > doorway of Michael's beginner's dulcimer class!!! Oh cool. I'd love to get a copy if that's OK. Also anyone that got a cool picture or two that they'd lilke to submit for the LegacyFest 2001 scrapbook, you can send those to me for consideration. I took almost a thousand pics, but I'm sure there are some cool pics out there that I missed (like at the Keeper). This also may be the last LegacyFest scrapbook, since next year, we're hoping to have Bekah on the itinerary, and I want to take more workshops. Be sure to give me your name for credit on the pic. Unfortunately I won't be able to return the photo, as it has become to tedious to keep track of all the pics I receive (for return). > It was nice putting a name to a face. I have been on Mitch's list for a > long time....I thing he is a pretty amazing musician!!! Amen! and just a nice young man. ___________________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@mitchmcvicker.com Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ___________________________________________________________ Mitch McVicker Web Page - http://mitchmcvicker.com ------- From: "Peter Welz" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:58:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now >I noticed that Rich's voice changed significantly between 1986 and 1997. His voice seemed much higher (speaking and singing)in the earlier years. Does anybody know why his voice changed show much? Didn't Rich say one time that he's abused his body as much as possible? Long concerts, not enough rest for the vocal chords, smoking, age, maturity. It all adds up. I personally like the "more mature voice". Peace Linda ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:59:30 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 Rich Mullins is enigmatic, at the very least. He projects a boyish warmth that disarms a philosophers incisive heart. He seems almost childlike and yet his songs and his humor flash with insight and wisdom. It has been remarked that in many ways he is a poet of our times. Truly he is more... poet, philosopher, minstrel, man... and less. Never picture perfect, but somehow better because of that. He would have it that life is far more charming with all its unexpected foibles, flaws, and mars... ...part of Rich Mullin's charm lies In the whimsical attitude about his musical successes. "Some of the best things in the world are not really important,' he told Young Salvationist in January 1989, "My real ministry is not music. My real ministry is the way I treat the lady on the corner, the way I treat the mailman." Quickly professes Rich, "To be honest, I didn't want to do music (as a career). It just happened." Certainly music is an integral chunk of Rich Mullins. Chuckles Rich, "I've been writing since I was four... of course, a lot of that stuff was pretty bad! But I probably write songs that are worse now... because I'm doing it more!" A few of those songs have turned out "okay," including "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" (recorded by Debby Boone), and three recorded by Amy Grant: "Doubly Good," "Love Of Another Kind," and "Sing Your Praise To the Lord." But that's not the beginning, that's the middle of the story. The beginning came after his tenure as an undergraduate at Cincinnati Bible College, when Rich finally began to stretch his wings musically. Working with Zion Ministries, he began writing and performing with their band at retreats and churches around the country. In 1981, the band recorded an album, all of which were Rich Mullin's compositions. Providentially the tape was placed in the hand of Mike Blanton, who was looking for a final song to round out Amy Grant's Age to Age album. Mullin's "Sing Your Praise to the Lord" was precisely what he was looking for. The song was signed, and so was Rich, to Blanton/Harrell Inc. Rich moved quickly from writing to performing, signing a recording contract with Reunion Records in 1984. The year 1986 saw Rich opening throughout "Unguarded" tour which segued quickly into a national band tour of his own in 1987. During that year, Rich was also part of a mission trip that went to Guatemala. Then the fall of 1989 saw Rich completing a 62-city "Winds of Heaven...Stuff of Earth" tour. And lately, the winds of heaven have been blowing in a different direction... ...school's in session for this 34-year old song crafter who has helped changed the face of contemporary praise music. He is smack in the middle of a 16-hour course load, although he is finding time to play fourth chair French horn (out of four chairs) in the college band. Humbly remarks Rich, "They don't know what they're in for! They're going to be so sorry! When I play it tends to sound like a flock of geese... there is absolutely no one worse than me!" French horn is only one of over nine instruments that Rich Plays, including piano, guitar and hammer and lap dulcimer. Rich has cloaked himself in gentle humor, able to laugh, refusing to take himself too seriously. For example when asked if he considers himself a singer, Rich grins, "I have a really funny speaking voice, and when I sing it's not a whole lot better! But I don't think people mind. If people come to my concerts, it's not because they expect to go away having been musically dazzled. They come to my concerts because people find it a great relief that someone would have the nerve to get up and do that in front of other people. And that encourages them to do the same thing!" Source: Article entitled Never Picture Perfect, by Elizabeth Leighton Jones, in the spring/summer '90 issue of Calendar magazine - found at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/calendar-sprsum90.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:59:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now > Didn't Rich say one time that he's abused his body as much as possible? > Long concerts, not enough rest for the vocal chords, smoking, age, maturity. And drinking coffee, too--pretty much the entire list of things Jeanne-Anne said _not_ to do in her vocals workshop :) Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:31:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Box Tops for Education You guys are really dedicated. Have you read the ingredients list on that stuff? I commend your deducation. pi j _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:31:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich > I now wonder if Rich ever completely shaved his head. I would love to see that picture. Well, I've never seen Rich with no hair - but I can think of a quote where he worried about it. :) It's from one of the Release magazine articles. It was in a dream. Hehe. If you've never checked out the pictures at Eric's sight, you should. You can see all different kinds of Rich hair-do's. (Plus, the photos are just great!) -- http://rwmullins.tripod.com/index2.html. Love in Christ, Robin ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:31:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Dear Rick, My favorites from Rich Mullins self titled album are A Few Good Men Both Feet on the Ground (My personal favorite) Live Right Pair them, in any order really, with: Nothing is Beyond You All the Way to Kingdom Come You Did Not Have a Home I'm sorry, I just can't stop at one each. You did a good job with your picks, though, and I would be interested in a copy of the CD. That is only if you have permission to sell it. I want no part of a boot-leg copy. In regard to the changing of his voice between 1986 and 1997, I would imagine age and abuse had a lot to do with it, I mean, really, you're talking 11 years here. I actually noticed his voice getting raspier as he got older. It's very noticable in the Lufkin video. Now I am curious. Have you had any response to your request? Please let me know. Be God's Your sister in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:31:18 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request from Christina H Many of you remember Christina Hall from when she was on the Ragalist a couple of years ago. She wrote asking for our prayers. Wow. What a tremendous honor, privilege, and joyful duty it is to pray for others! ~Chris << Hi Everyone! Peace of Christ to you! I know everyone is buy but can I ask for you to pray a few moments? A friend of mine is asking prayer for his boss's mother. She was just diagnosed with cancer earlier tonight. The doctors have said there is nothing they can do. Todd and his mother need our prayers. If it were you or your mother, would you pray? Please take a few moments out of your day for them. . . May God bless your day! Christina P.s. Chris- could u forward to Ragamuffins . . . . Thanks! >> ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:15:56 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] more legacy pics.. lauren is working on her photo experience of Legacy. I will encourage her to share some of her journaling on this adventure as well. The project is still at http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerlauren2/23rdother.html if you haven't visited it since first posted.. the mitch concert pics are now complete.. and then there are about 30 up so far on various other artists and sites..on an attached link.. i won't post this again, but if your interested just keep checking back, she is still in the scanning of pics and i have no idea how much more to come.. stay strong in Christ ~ suzan ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Hmmm, good question. I'd be really tempted to use Damascus Road as the old one, even though it took him over a decade to actually record it. Like David said at the Dove's, it really is a perfect summary of his career: "I give my life to sing Your praise." That he wrote it before he recorded his first album and released it on one of his last albums seems to be fitting as bookends to all the wonderful 'singing Your praise' that he did in between. Bºt hunh, it's a tough question for me, because my favorite albums were all in the middle -- Never Picture Perfect through Liturgy -- not so much the first two or last few. So picking songs from the beginning and end are tougher... On the voice changing thing, I think part of it is real as other people have said, but I also think part of it was intentional in the studio. Singing higher than usual has always been a pop thing (which is why I've always liked Paul Simon -- he sings in my range!), but especially in the late 80's Christian music scene -- I'm thinking of how how Michael W Smith and Stephen Curtis Chapman and other men sang higher at that time. It'd be interesting to compare concert tapes from the two time periods. Speaking of which, though, I've always wondered how the studios make people sound like they're singing higher than they are. Rich never could sing that high 'one' on "My One Thing" in concert -- did he really sing it high in the studio or do they have tricks to tweak his voice up? Inquiring people want to know! *Brian ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now >I used Elijah from the first album and Hard to Get > from the last. I was curious to know what songs from the first and last you would use? First - Elijah Last - It was a toss up between Hard to Get and Heaven in His Eyes. Heaven in His Eyes won. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Healing America's Wounds > The video is available for sale at www.globalnetproductions.com for $29.95. Natalie, When I went to the above address, all I got was a black screen. Any other ideas? Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: Sharon S Wall Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 >The year 1986 saw Rich > opening > throughout "Unguarded" tour .... Does anyone know if there is a list somewhere of exactly *which* concerts Rich played on this tour?? I ask because I saw Amy on the Unguarded tour 2 1/2 times (the 1/2 time was seeing her at the Artists' Conference up in Estes Park, CO) and I don't remember seeing Rich at all! Hmm...OK...looking at my ticket stubs, only one of the dates was in '86, and that was at the Colorado State Fair in Pueblo....the other was Oct. '85. Since I hadn't heard of Rich, I could have seen him and not even known it! Just curious! In Christ, Sharon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------- From: jennifer taylor Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] grandmother is worried Hi you guys, Thanks for all of the words of wisdom. I'll be seeing Granny this weekend. She hates being called Granny, which is why I think the grandkids call her that. just to tease her. Anyway, I am lucky to have a grandmother who is concerned about me. But, I don't think she is *really* worried. Some of the concern may have also been rooted in that I would get on a plane by myself and visit a strange city with no kin around for protection, "It's a dangerous world out there and you don't know what could happen." I think she may also be concerned over me having an indoor cat. Life is crazy and I have a spunky(and a little stubborn) granny. And I think she's cute and I want to be just like her when/if I turn 96. Well, except I'll still probably want to fly off to strange cities and have a cat. By that time, I may even have my own motorcycle... now THAT would cause her to worry. Love you guys, jen-t ===== ********************************************************* "To live is so startling, it leaves but little room for other occupations though Friends are if pos sible an event more fair." Emily Dickinson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "rholling" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request from Christina H Count me amongst the prayer partners on behalf of Christina Hall's friend's mother. We never know when cancer, or some equally dreadful disease, will touch the life of our loved one (or us). Isn't it comforting to know that our faithful God is anxious to draw close during our most difficult times. May His presence be felt by this wounded child of God. They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles. Isaiah 40:31 Blessings upon you, Ruth ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now >I actually noticed his voice getting raspier as he got older. I liked it that way. :) RW ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:15:56 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Just wondering if anyone knows the latest on the 20 Countdown Magazine radio special. They seem to have changed their webpage (yet again!) and the offer that they were making to sell copies of the cd tribute is gone again. I couldn't find a phone number or address (or even an email address!) to contact them and ask them about it. Anybody know if they're still willing to make copies or how to get a hold of them to ask? Thanks. *Brian ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 > >The year 1986 saw Rich > > opening throughout "Unguarded" tour .... > Does anyone know if there is a list somewhere of exactly *which* concerts > Rich played on this tour?? There's a list at rwmullins.tripod.com/index2.html. If either of the dates in which you saw Amy were April 23, 1986 (Boulder, CO), then he was there. That's the only Colorado date I saw. There's also a picture of Rich in his "Live Right" t-shirt. Plus, at the top of that page, there's a silhouette of him recording his first album. Love in Christ, Robin P.S. This is the kind of unnecessary "stuff of earth" that makes this planet a nice place to live and work. :) ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: Re:[ragamuffin] I ordered the 20 special about 2 weeks ago and I have not heard anything. I found a website and they linked me to a paypal page. I will find out more info and let everybody know. Thanks, Rick ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] > Just wondering if anyone knows the latest on the 20 Countdown Magazine radio > special...I couldn't find a phone number or address (or even an email address!) I don't know anything about whether they're still available or not, but the phone number that's on the first copy I ordered (first time around) is: 1-800-844-8320. The address is: Communion Communications, ATTN: Rich Mullins Tribute, P.O. Box 425, Arlington, TN 38002. I ordered more of the tribute at a later date. The address was the same, but there was no phone number. I guess that's a place to start. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich >>If you've never checked out the pictures at Eric's sight, you should. You can see all different kinds of Rich hair-do's. (Plus, the photos are just great!) -- http://rwmullins.tripod.com/index2.html.<< Also, if you have never seen a picture of Rich bearded, I assume you don't have An Arrow Points to Heaven, which not only has some really cool pics or Rich, but is a too good of a book to miss. I would suggest getting it! You can get it from The Legacy http://kidbrothers.org/ among other places. Jen ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: Dommers18@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... Hey Everyone, I wrote you last week telling y'all I was new to the list. Well, tomorrow I am taking my mom to the Dr's to find out if the tumor on her foot is infact cancer. I just ask that you keep her in your prayers and that if it is cancer that we caught it in the early stages. I will let you guys know as soon as we find out what it is! Thanks sooo much!! dom ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Dueling pictures? OK, it's not a contest, and I don't claim that mine are better than anyone else's--but at least they're different! http://www.geoffhorton.com/2001legacyfest/ Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: Re:Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Now that I think about it. The perfect bookends to Rich's career would be Heaven in His Eyes. This song was recorded on Behold the Man and he chose to record it on The Jesus Demos. It was the only pure Rich solo song on Behold the Man. If I ever get around to doing a Rich Tribute CD, I would probably use that song to start and end the CD. ------- From: Natleigh58@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:20:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Healing America's Wounds Robin, I double checked the website address and for once, I got it right. But you can also order the video from the International Reconciliation Coalition at www.reconcile.org Sorry for the trouble -- let me know if you have any more problems. The video really is worth the effort, believe me. Faith, hope and love, Natalie ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:20:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Dueling pictures? Way cool! I could almost feel the bugs in those Keeper pics! :) ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:20:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] >I ordered the 20 special about 2 weeks ago and I have not heard anything. I found a >website and they linked me to a paypal page. http://www.20countdown.com/richmullins.htm Here is site I believe you are referring to. I ordered the CDs from here and they were slow in coming, but made it to me eventually. $18.95 + shipping ------- From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:20:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 I think it was the Spring leg of the tour in 1986. It was an 18 month total tour; other opening bands on other legs of it were Russ Taff and Bob Bennett. ------- From: Harris Whistles Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:12:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now - coffee and singing? How does coffee hurt the voice? Is it the caffiene or the heat? Does it do long-term damage to the pipes or just make it more difficult to sing well at the moment because of too much caffiene coursing through the veins? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:12:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now - coffee and singing? > How does coffee hurt the voice? It's the caffeine, because she warned against Coke and Pepsi as well. It's in the class of things which dry out your vocal chords, making it harder to sing. I don't think it does long term damage unless you hurt your voice because the caffeine makes you work harder. She did say it can take up to a week to work out of your system. But she's singing operatic arias, which may be more vocally demanding. (Of course, she may also be counterbalancing the demands with better technique than most of us use.) Grace and peace, Geoff Is it the caffiene or the heat? Does it do > long-term damage to the pipes or just make it more difficult to sing well at > the moment because of too much caffiene coursing through the veins? > > > > --- geoff.horton@verizon.net wrote: > > > Didn't Rich say one time that he's abused his body as much as possible? > > > Long concerts, not enough rest for the vocal chords, smoking, age, > > maturity. > > > > And drinking coffee, too--pretty much the entire list of things > > Jeanne-Anne said _not_ to do in her vocals workshop :) > > > > Grace and peace, > > Geoff > > > > --- > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ------- From: "stephanie howard" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:02:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... >From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com >Reply-To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com >To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com >Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:18:25 -0500 > > > >OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as >you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in >making the Fest better each and every year! > >Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Protocol St Francis and the Fransican Lifestyle I thought both were really thought provoking and good. Tammy Pruitt was quite an inspiring teacher. > > >Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which >could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Bill Miller was my favorite, followed by Ceili Rain, Mac Powell, Andrew Peterson, and Mitch McVicker. Silent Warrior was in a category by itself - really unique and again, thoughtful - as was the 120 Drums ceremony. > > >Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a >good or poor deal for the money? > >Stayed at the Howard Johnson, but those who stayed on campus seemed to >report positive experiences. >Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? Thought the silent auction was a great idea. However, maybe the items being auctioned were less than a match with the tastes of LF attendees. Balaam's Ass t's go for $265 and Waylon Jennings' cards for ? little anyway. I'd be willing to make more suggestions here if there is further interest - just email me. > >Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? >Thought LF was a very good deal for the price. $100 for 2 main concerts w/ >various performers and 4 workshops? That's more like a giveaway. I went >to a mainstream concert in Denver last year and regular floor seats were >$55 a piece. I realize that people travel and bring family, etc, so the >costs add up, but overall, it does seem to be a good deal. > >Registration: no problem or irritating? >I did not preregister, so any irritations were my own fault, but it was >really more like just a little exercise in patience. > >Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? >let me think about this some more > > >>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? >weeelll.....the closest "city" is Pueblo, CO or "big town" would be >Alamosa, CO > >Any additional comments? >I'm so glad I came! > >Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continuous support of Legacyfest! > > > >--- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: Sharon S Wall Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 > I think it was the Spring leg of the tour in 1986. It was an 18 > month total > tour; other opening bands on other legs of it were Russ Taff and Bob > Bennett. I saw Amy on either end of this...October of '85 (with Bob Bennett) and September of '86. I'm a little relieved...don't think I could live with knowing I actually saw Rich in concert and didn't even notice!! thanks for the info, Robin and Kathy In Christ, Sharon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------- From: starrman9@juno.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: Re:Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now You rags are correct about how age can impact your voice. I just got back from talking to Steven Curtis Chapman and his speaking voice seems a lot lower than it was back in the late 80's. He is also getting those wrinkles you get around the eyes when you approach 40. Phil Keaggy's voice on the other hand seems to get better as he get's older. The only way Phil is showing his age is his lack of hair, which of course is hard to see when he has his beret on. Thanks all for commenting. Be God's, Ragamuffin Rick ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Re: 20: The Countdown Magazine tribute Hmmm, that page is still in place, but nothing from their main website links to it any longer, so I wonder if it really works or not. I tried calling the 800 number that Robin mentioned, and it's been disconnected. I tried looking up that address in the online yellow pages. Sure enough, Communion Communications is listed in Arlington, TN, but the number they have listed isn't right. I called it and it said it had been changed to another number. I called the new number, and it had been disconnected. I looked at the PayPal page Bob mentioned, and they had another 800 number listed, but it was just an ad for some get rich quick scheme. Next I'll try the email address I've got: 20@20countdown.com. If anyone else has thought of any other leads I should follow, let me know and I'll try them. *Brian > > >I ordered the 20 special about 2 weeks ago and I have not heard anything. I > found a > >website and they linked me to a paypal page. > > http://www.20countdown.com/richmullins.htm > > Here is site I believe you are referring to. I ordered the CDs from here > and they were slow in coming, but made it to me eventually. $18.95 + > shipping ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD- 08/23/01 [Intro to Save Me] Good evening. You guys want to be in the band tonight? Here's what you do - you get your car keys out. Get them out of your pocket and hold them up in front of you and then you shake them and just try to keep a beat with them. That's all you gotta do. [Save Me] [The Howling] Thank you! [Calling Out Your Name] This is a song off the new album. It's called Cry the Name. [Cry the Name] [Intro to I See You] All right, this is a sing along song, so, what we'll do is I'll sing a line to the song and then you sing it back. OK? Ready? [I See You] Thank you, you're singing very good! I'm going to introduce a guy that I've been co-writing with now for eight years, and we've, uh, done a lot of stuff together. This is Beaker. (Applause) Back there with the singers is his wife Julie. (Applause) They now have a 16 month old boy named Aiden, and Beaker wanted to write him a song, and we wrote about 500. None of them were good enough (audience laughter). So I was definitely relieved when we finally wrote this. This is called Let Mercy Lead. [Let Mercy Lead] That's Rick Elias on guitar over there (applause). This is a song that you guys have to sing because it's too high for me to hit. Your part goes "one thing" (Rich strains to hit these notes since they are so high, and as a result, he sings off key). See what I mean? (audience laughter) Can you do that? Audience: "One thing" RM: You can do it! You do it great! So, please do it every time, and if you know the part about "the pure in heart" you can sing that too. [My One Thing] Source: The November 16, 1995 Anderson, Indiana (Anderson University) concert review - found at www.kidbrothers.net/transcripts/anderson.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Yeah, I thought about that, but I don't like Heaven In His Eyes as much as Damascus Road. :> But if I remember correctly, "Heaven In His Eyes" was almost a decade old when he recorded it on Behold the Man, making it even more of a bookend. Didn't somebody say he wrote it when he was only 18? *Brian > > Now that I think about it. The perfect bookends to Rich's career would be Heaven in His Eyes. This song was recorded on Behold the Man and he chose to record it on The Jesus Demos. It was the only pure Rich solo song on Behold the Man. If I ever get around to doing a Rich Tribute CD, I would > probably use that song to start and end the CD. > ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest 2001 Workshops... OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! Please be as honest as you can and give us both positive and negative feedback to assist us in making the Fest better each and every year! Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Beginning Dulcimer, Worship, Raging Fury of God's Love, St. Francis and the Franciscan Lifestyle St Francis and the Fransican Lifestyle I felt that each workshop was wonderful. I have been teaching myself the hammered dulcimer, and Michael gave me some terrific tips on training my left hand. Mac Powell is awesome. I have been an admirer of Third Day for years, and enjoyed his teaching style, the subject matter and the discussions. I overslept and missed most of the Raging Fury of God's Love workshop, Allysa and David are ALWAYS supreme eachers. Tammy was awesome....especially since she had only one week to prepare. Favorite's: Worship & St. Francis Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Having now had the experience, I would REALLY miss Bill Miller and Ceili Rain!!! Mitch, always love to see him. Mac Powell blows me away. 120 Drums..and Silent Warrior are now favorites. Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a good or poor deal for the money? I stayed on campus, loved it!! Terrific deal for the money... Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? The silent auction was a good idea. I wasn't able to bid because of my budget and couldn't take any chances. I would have loved to have seen a place where those of us that could, just place a check or spare change or leftover $20's anonymously. Kind of a drop-off jar or something. Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? Legacy Fest was more reasonable than I thought it would be. With workshops, concerts, and fellowship....Well worth every penny!!!! . Registration: no problem or irritating? I pre-registered....no problem!. Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? How far did you travel to attend Lecagy Fest? Dallas, Texas....it was a great drive.. Additional comments? Attending Legacy Fest was an experience I will never forget... It was moving, touching, loving, spiritual, FUN, I made new friends. Gained knowledge, brought home with me a terrific witnessing tool, my pictures, my experiences....Go ahead and sign me up for next year, I will budget more carefully from now until then so I can be prepared for any eventuality. Oh yeah, the vendors there were excellent. Please include them for sure...would love to see more Native American things, books, gift items....more Ceili Rain!!!! ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Bob Bennett (was: Rich QOTD - 08/22/01) on 8/23/01 6:21 PM, Sharon S Wall at g1a@juno.com wrote: >> I think it was the Spring leg of the tour in 1986. It was an 18 >> month total >> tour; other opening bands on other legs of it were Russ Taff and Bob >> Bennett. > I saw Amy on either end of this...October of '85 (with Bob Bennett) and > September of '86. I'm a little relieved...don't think I could live with > knowing I actually saw Rich in concert and didn't even notice!! I think I shared this once before on this mailing list, but since I'm not sure, and it's on topic ... When Brian and I were "collecting" memories in the weeks after Rich died, I received the following from Bob Bennett. (P.S. Along with Mitch, Eric, and Andrew; Bob is one of my favorite songwriter/singers). [begin Bob Bennett email clip] BTW, I have a rather modest Rich story that I have not shared with anyone else ... Back in the Spring of 1986, Rich took over the opening slot on Amy Grant's "Unguarded Tour" that I filled for 35 dates the previous Fall. To make a long story short, I was fairly overwhelmed by the sheer size of the tour and the crowds ... this was exacerbated by the fact that in 1985 it was extremely difficult to be just one guy with a voice and acoustic guitar and her audiences pretty viewed me as the one thing that stood between them and "their Amy". In a word, it was brutal ... there was absolutely no drop in audience noise level between the time before the lights first went down to the end of my set! It wasn't anyone's fault ... it was just an odd pairing that came about only because Amy took a liking to my songs and wanted to help me. So, for Rich's Houston concert with Amy that next Spring, I drove down from Waco where I had been performing to hang out, re-visit Amy and her entourage and to meet Rich for the first time. We had an instantaneous connection because we both knew how it felt to be absolute background music to several thousand people at once, although I'm pretty sure he did better than I did and certainly seemed to handle it much better ... not as fazed by the whole thing, perhaps. Anyway, I didn't really have accommodations lined up and Rich said that he had a huge hotel room and I was welcome to share it. So, when we finally got to his room, there's one huge bed. Rich tells me that he would genuinely rather sleep on the floor anyway and that's exactly what happened. The man slept on the floor of his own hotel room so I could have a comfortable place to stay and sleep. The other memory of note for me is that earlier in the evening, we were walking through the hotel lounge and there was a duo playing. It was St. Patrick's Day and we thought they might play some Irish tunes. As is my custom in these situations, I requested a song that I always considered to be totally impossible for any club/lounge act: Isaac Hayes' immortal "Theme >>From 'Shaft'"! Well, these guys did it, it cost me five bucks and Rich was there to see it...never happened before or since. Maybe not much of a story for the public-at-large, but musicians will instinctively understand just how cool that was! I did not know Rich well at all ... only a couple more brief encounters over the years, but I will always remember his kindness toward me. It made that much of an impression. Best regards, Bob. [end Bob Bennett email clip] - -- ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@bekahfrees.com Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Bekah Frees Web Page http://bekahfrees.com ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now - coffee and singing? geoff.horton@verizon.net wrote: > > How does coffee hurt the voice? > > It's the caffeine, It's in the class of things which dry out your vocal chords, > > making it harder to sing. I don't think it does long term damage > unless you hurt your voice because the caffeine makes you work > harder. She did say it can take up to a week to work out of your > system. > The speech therapist in me had to pipe in... the vocal folds are essentially muscles that are attached at one end and work via vibrations from air going between them as they slam together. Caffeine, smoking, alcohol, etc cause damage to the vocal folds as they would any other part of the body. the VF are also susceptible to nodules is abused and they also become inflamed if there is too much use. Age also effects the function - the muscles just aren't able to recover as quickly as when younger. So - from Rich's years singing, talking, etc, etc... His voice would change c. ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer for friends Mom - PRAISE Mike Brantley wrote: > Chris, > > The surgery went very well. Mom is in the ICU tonight and will hopefully get out tomorrow. The mass turned out to be a sist instead of a tumor, so that was also very encouraging. That's all we know for now; they will know more when she starts to wake up. Hopefully there will be no permanent damage or any more sists. Thanks for the prayers and please continue to pray for a full recovery. > > Thanks. > Mike (Mike is Mark's twin brother) PRAISE!!!! ------- X-Auhentication-Warning: host.linux4ua.com: geoff set sender to ragamuffin-L-request@geoffhorton.com using -f From: KASPRINKLE@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now Yep, 17 or 18, we aren't sure which... ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:50:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Re: 20: The Countdown Magazine tribute >If anyone else has thought of any other leads I should >follow, let me know and I'll try them. :( Keep your eye on ebay ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:29:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [Beggarman E-News 063] CD Release Party / RoadPics Hello and welcome to the Beggarman E-News =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Beggarman CD Release party!! August 25 @ 7:30 pm College Hill Presbyterian Church this saturday, eric & britt debut their brand new album - and their first together as the band beggarman!!! the album titled "Fallen Deep" officially releases this saturday, so come join the party as beggarman plays all the songs and more from this new release!! They will be joined by friends to perform with a band!! for more info or directions contact: pete reed @ 513-541-5676 or email preed@chpc.org music! laughs! cd give-aways! and long beards! it's gonna be fun, and anyone is invited - no exceptions... see you there!! P.S. Stayed tuned for info on the web page to order the new CD. The purchase page should be updated by tomorrow (Fri) evening or Saturday at the latest. beggarman http://www.beggarman.net ericandbritt@beggarman.net 512-626-9233 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pictures From the Road http://beggarman.net/roadpics/july2001.html http://beggarman.net/roadpics/aug2001.html We're playing catch-up with pictures from the road. Just added two new pages, July and August, and include pics from Kansas City, St Louis, and The LegacyFest in Wichita Here's your trivia question for the day. Where (what city) was Eric born? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Here's a couple more dates to add to the list sent out earlier this evening... *** added date *** 08/31/2001 Florence, KY Reality Tuesday Cafe located on 42 aka Dixie Highway near Park Hills *** added date *** 09/01/2001 Grand Rapids, MI *** more info since previous email *** 09/04/2001 Elgin, IL Kruse Barn, 7:00pm Claudia & Len Kruse's House Church 40W 785 Bowes Bend Dr Short time Praise & Worship, Beggarman concert, and refreshments afterwards Go here for a map Love Offering For more info call 847-464-1265 *** added date *** 10/25/2001 Greencastle, IN Depauw University ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page - http://beggarman.net ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:29:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [Beggarman E-News 062] Dates Hello and welcome to the Beggarman E-News =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Since it's been a while since we've sent out an update, we are sending the entire list. As usual the complete is also always online at http://www.beggarman.net/dates.html 2001 =-=-=-= *** updated info *** 08/25/2001 Cincinnati, OH FALLEN DEEP CD RELEASE PARTY!!! College Hill Presbyterian, 7:00pm 5742 Hamilton Avenue For more info call 513-541-5676 *** added date *** 08/26/2001 Cincinnati, OH *** added date *** 08/27/2001 Cincinnati, OH and 08/28 recording in Cincinnati *** added date *** 09/04/2001 Elgin, IL Claudia & Len Kruse's House Church 40W 785 Bowes Bend Dr 7:00 w/ Love Offering For more info call 847-464-1265 09/05/2001 Elgin, IL Judson College, 10:00am chapel 21 Littlejohn Rd For more info call Warren Anderson at 847-695-2500 or email at wanderson@judson-ill.edu 09/07/2001 Green Bay, WI Cup O' Joy Coffeehouse http://www.cupojoy.com/ Showtime at 7:30pm, doors at 6:30pm For more info contact Jan at 920-435-3269 or email at jano@cupojoy.com 09/14/2001 Chicago, IL Wheaton College Chapel AM chapel *** updated info *** 09/15/2001 Mundelein, IL Northwest Christian Coffee House 28566 N Lemon Rd Doors open @ 7:30 concert at 8 PM $5 cover For more info call 847-949-6922 09/17 thru 10/27 all dates are a tour with Madison Greene an amazing Tribal Celtic group out of Michigan *** updated info *** 09/18/2001 Franklin, PA Rocky Grove High School Auditorium, 7:30pm Rocky Grove Ave/Route 417 Love Offering Sponsored by the amazing Solid Rock Cafe of Seneca! For more info call Gwen & Bruce Kahler at 814-676-2190 *** updated info *** 09/19/2001 Pittsfield, PA Pittsfield Otterbein United Methodist Church For more info call Tom Delp at 814-563-3333 *** updated info *** 09/20/2001 Amhurst, NY Higher Ground Coffee House, 8:00pm 3622 Sheridan Dr $1 cover For more info call 716-836-0046 *** updated info *** 09/21/2001 Alfred, NY Alfred University, 10:00pm Powell Knight Club (We think it's Free!) For more info call 607-871-2175 09/22/2001 West Orange, NJ Vespers Coffee House 09/26/2001 Gaithersburg, MD *** updated info *** 09/28/2001 Knoxville, TN New City Cafe 102 S Central http://www.newcitycafe.com/ For more info call 865-544-0100 *** updated info *** 09/29/2001 Portsmouth, OH Youth Rally Wesley United Methodist Church 1415 Gallia St. All day event with the concert @ 6 PM Admission is Free For more info call Steve Hensley at 740-532-1196 or Nancy Fornier at 740-353-2548 *** updated info *** 10/05/2001 Bartlesville, OK The Rock Coffee House 122 S Park St For more info call 918-336-2636 *** updated info *** 10/06/2001 Kansas City, MO New Earth Coffee House 3953 Walnut Doors @ 7:30 (1 block east of Main St in Kansas City, MO) For more info call 816-753-8544 *** updated info *** 10/07/2001 Wichita, KS Central Christian Church 2900 N Rock Rd Morning worship For more info call 316-688-4400 *** updated info *** 10/07/2001 Andover, KS Hope Community Church 1831 East 21st St Evening worship For more info call 316-733-9131 *** updated info *** 10/11/2001 Wichita, KS Friends University 2100 W University 9:30am - 10:20am chapel For more info call Rhonda at 316-295-5746 *** updated info *** 10/13/2001 Dallas, TX Park Cities Baptist Church 3933 Northwest Parkway Saturday evening service at 6:00pm Concert at 7:45pm For more info call 214-860-1557 *** added date *** 10/16/2001 Dallas Christian College Morning Chapel 11-12 2700 Christian Pkwy For more info call 800-688-1029 *** updated info *** 10/17/2001 Austin, TX Calvary Worship Center, 7:00pm 2013 Wells Branch Pkwy #310 (in the back row of bldgs) http://www.cwcaustin.com/ Love Offering For more info call 512-990-9548 *** updated info *** 10/20/2001 Dallas, TX The Door, 8:00pm 3202 Elm St in Deep Ellum (just East of downtown Dallas) http://www.thedoordallas.com/ For more info call 214-742-3667 *** updated info *** 10/21/2001 Austin, TX Bethany United Methodist 10010 Anderson Mill Rd 8:15, 9:30, 11:00am services, and 7pm Concert Love Offering For more info call 512-258-6017 *** updated info *** 10/24/2001 Festus, MO (30 miles south of St Louis) Take 55 south from St Louis The Cave, 7:00pm 204 Main St Admission: about $5 at the door For more info call Tom Skiles at 636-937-5588 *** updated info *** 10/26/2001 Cincinnati, OH The Underground For more info call Chris Human at 513-576-2770 10/27/2001 Wilmington, OH Benefit for the Food Pantry End of tour with Madison Greene *** added date *** 11/02/2001 Cincinnati, OH Thee Coffee House 2715 Clifton Ave For more info call Ken Dillard at 513-281-6403 *** updated info *** 11/04/2001 Sanford, NC Dennis Wicker Civic Center, 3:00pm Tickets $8 Advance $10 Door Afternoon show with Mitch McVicker! For more info call Jo Ann Walshaw at 919-775-3556 *** added date *** 11/07/2001 Macomb, IL Western Illinois Univ. Wesley Foundation, 7:30pm 1325 University Dr For more info call David Lafary at 309-836-5581 2002 =-=-=-= January 2002 we are currently booking for California; contact us if you'd like us to come play! February 2002 we are currently booking for Alaska; contact us if you'd like us to come play! *** added date *** 03/24/2002 Dearborn Free Methodist Church 2801 South Telegraph Rd 9:30 & 10:50am morning worship 7:00pm Full Concert Admission Free For more information call 313-561-8774 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= for booking information or questions: e-mail: booking@beggarman.net or write to: beggarman productions, inc. 7060 greenfield dr cincinnati, oh 45224-1628 or call: 513-368-2999 ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page - http://beggarman.net ------- From: Harris Whistles Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:31:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now - coffee and singing? I don't believe that what you drink passes over your vocal cords, so it must be a matter of caffiene generally leading to slightly dehydrated state. There's also a possibility that some of the advice given on how to improve one's singing may not necessarily be scientific and may fall into the realm of old wives tales. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Dena Griswold" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:31:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Catching up!! I've been without email since the Monday after I got home from Legacy Fest, so I've missed out on all the great reviews. I finally got my account reconfigured and working again today--I had 196 messages (mostly Legacy-related!) to catch up on tonight. I am so glad I got to go to LF this year...and meet a lot of the people whose thoughts I've been reading here the past year. My stepdaughter was there, too, and we spent a lot of our time visiting with her(she lives in Texas) and visiting with some of the wonderful people they met at one of the Legacy camps this summer, so I really didn't get to know everyone like I had hoped--there just wasn't enough time to do everything I wanted! Aside from the weekend being WAY too short, it was incredible. Bill Miller totally blew me away...TOTALLY. I am still reeling from that experience. I read Bob Sullivan's comments about Bill--and I am in total agreement. God really spoke to me through that man...it WAS uncomfortable, but it was much-needed...and there was much healing in the words. Wow. Back to lurking and reading! ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:31:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/24/01 Rich Mullins is one of the rising performers in the glamorous world of contemporary Christian music. And yet, as a former CBC student, he is one of our own. The story of Rich Mullins is one of success and failure. He hailed originally from a farm just north of Richmond, Indiana, and his rise has been one of both emotional highs and lows. Before entering the music world for a career, Mullins spent six years at CBC and yet never graduated ("I had trouble picking out a major!"). During this time, he served as interim youth minister for First Christian Church in Kingsport, Tennessee, and Kentwood Christian Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Yet it was his youth ministry at Erlanger United Methodist Church in Erlanger, Kentucky, that Mullins came to the crossroads of music or ministry. However, even at the "crossroads" the choice was clear: youth ministry was his priority. "It wasn't a big deal to me," he explained. "I wasn't thinking of that [music] as a career. I was intending to be a youth minister." However, God had something else in mind for Rich Mullins. Following an ICTHUS festival in Wilmore, Kentucky, Mullins began to realize the power of music in the lives of young people. And following God's leading, Mullins moved to Nashville, Tennessee to pursue a totally new direction as a songwriter and performer. One day the break came when one of his songs was to be recorded by Amy Grant, who was quickly ascending to the top of the music world with her songs. That song, "Sing Your Praise to the Lord", would later help to secure Mullins a place on Grant's "Unguarded" tour as the opening act. Yet Mullins was also cementing himself in the hearts of music lovers when he released his debut album, simply entitled, "Rich Mullins". The album, recorded on a low budget, was completed within a two month stretch. He is presently working on a new album (still untitled) which he hopes to see on the market by February... ...Mullins, who lists Bruce Cockburn, Peter Gabriel, and U2 as his favorite influences, is beginning to see a lot of success come his way. And for someone who tried out for, and failed to make, CBC's Talent Night four or five times, that's not bad. Those early years of "Talent Night" failure have now given way to Amy Grant tours and record albums. And Mullins lists several "memorable" concerts, including The Forum in Los Angeles ("really scary"), and The Omni in Atlanta, where he played the same stage as U2 ("I forgot to play the piano in one part because I had a lot of friends there and was nervous!")... ...ON HIS SONG "SING YOUR PRAISE TO THE LORD", RECORDED BY AMY GRANT: "It was the first song I ever had published. Beth Lutz took a tape to a convention and gave it to someone who gave it to someone who gave it to someone and it ended up at Amy's manager's office." Source: Article in _The Cross Examiner_ entitled "Live Like You'll Die Tomorrow - Rich Mullins Speaks His Mind" - Brian Smith, October 1, 1986 -- found at www.kidbrothers.net/interviews/cross-examiner-oct0186.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:31:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest 2001 Workshops... - --- Teresa wrote: > > > > OK, it's time once again for the Legacyfest Survey! > Please be as honest as > you can and give us both positive and negative > feedback to assist us in > making the Fest better each and every year! > > Which workshops did you attend? Which was your > favorite and why? > Friday Creating a Spiritual Journal - Alyssa Loukota Exercises in Spiritual Growth - D. Mullins, JB Smith Saturday Mosaic Tile - Jimmy Abegg - MY PERSONAL FAVORITE The Raging Fury of Gods Love - D.Mullins, A.Loukota > Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was > your favorite? Which > could you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) You have got to be kidding me!!! MY FAVORITE CONCERT? I loved them all - All Weather Human was great, Ceili Rain, Andrew Peterson, Mac Powell. But my all time favorite, and I am so glad I did not miss this - Balaam's Ass!! I don't care what Jim Dunning says, I wouldn't mind opening a checking acount with that name!!! > Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant > experience? Was it a > good or poor deal for the money? Yes, I stayed on campus and it was terrific accomodations. All I needed was a place to lay my head and I would have done that in a sleeping bag out in the concert area if I could have. Breakfast was excellent, take heart David Mullins, whatever time they were supposed to serve breakfast, it was well worth the wait. It was an excellent deal for the money. Oh, by the way, I need to thank Robin Mullins for making a last minute change for me. Everyone was so sweet. > Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? Yes, I thought the silent auction was a good idea. Of course, for me it wasn't all that silent. I suppose I got a little carried away with the Balaam's Ass T-shirt. And perhaps, had I known that I was bidding against 3 people that were pooling their money, I might not have let it get out of hand the way it did, HOWEVER, I feel very privileged to help the Legacy out the way I did. I believe very strongly in their call. For those that read this and say to themselves, "Oh, that's the crazy woman that paid $265.00 for a T-shirt!!!" I've got news for all of you. I didn't buy a T-shirt, I gave a gift, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Also, shame on all of you for not bidding any higher than you did on some of those things. After all, ALL the money went to the Legacy. > Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? > Why/why not? This was my very first experience with the Legacy, and for the money I spent, it was well worth it. I will definitely be back > Registration: no problem or irritating? The only thing I found irritating about registration is that TS Allison all but wiped out my internet connections. It quite literally took me over a week to register on line - no fault of anyone at the Legacy. Pay-Pal was cool. > Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop > leaders? Musicians? As long as David, Alyssa, Jim, Jimmy, Mac, Michael, Eric, Tammy etc. are there I have no other suggetions for leaders. David does need to be better informed on what's happening around him. He is a great leader, though. Workshops that involve crafts probably should be extended to a full day or else the class times need to be extended from 2 hours to maybe 3 or 4 - start earlier, end later. As far as musicians go, I would like to see Jimmy Abegg on stage. What could you possibly name your band next year, Legacy staff? > How far did you travel to attend Legacy Fest? I drove from Houston TX and according to mapblast.com, I travelled 606.71 miles. > Additional comments? I love you guys. I believe in what you are doing. Keep up the good work. I'll be perfectly honest, the reason I chose Jimmy A's class is because of the way it was billed. If you had just said, "Mosaic Tile," I might not have gone for it. Also, I was very impressed that you could leave things out in the concert area and not have to worry about them. I dropped a pair of sunglasses going back to my room and the next day, they were right where I left them. That's terrific! Hats off to the participants, too. I didn't see a whole lot of trash left out, eveºy one did a fairly decent job at keeping the place clean. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: ericandbritt@beggarman.net Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:29:46 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [Beggarman E-News 061] Journal Hello and welcome to the Beggarman E-News =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eric and Britt's Journal Entry http://beggarman.net/journal.html#recent From: ericandbritt@beggarman.net Thursday, August 09, 2001 i came across some interested insight yesterday- when jesus walked the earth, the psalms were not numbered as they are in our bibles of today. if someone were to refer to psalm 23- they would say the first line of the psalm which is "the lord is my shepherd, i shall not want" With christ's last few breaths, He shouted out to the crowds, "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" many who stood by misunderstood his message and were all the more convinced that he was a fraud- for how could God deny his own son? what they failed to see was that jesus was pointing them to Psalm 22- which begins with the words "my God, my God, my have you forsaken me?" the entire psalm is prophetic of the ways that christ would be killed and mistreated by his own people. vs. 6-8 says "i am scorned and despised by all! everyone who sees me mocks me- they sneer and shake their heads, saying, 'is this the one who relies on the lord? then let the lord save him! if the lord loves him so much, let the lord rescue him!" matthew 27:43 records the people saying, "he trusted God- let God show his approval by delivering him!!" vs. 16 says "my enemies surround me like a pack of dogs; an evil gang closes in on me. they have pierced my hands and feet. I can count every bone in my body. My enemies stare at me and gloat. They divide my clothes among themselves and throw dice for my garments." matthew 27:35 "after they had nailed him to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice." Jesus' life fulfilled every ancient Jewish prophesies regarding the coming Messiah. He is our salvation. Amen - -britt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= eric & britt beggarman productions 7060 greenfield cincinnati, oh, 45224 ericandbritt@beggarman.net 513-368-2999 ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page http://beggarman.net ------- From: "Dena Griswold" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:31:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Workshops... My review of LF 2001: > Which workshops did you attend? Which was your favorite and why? Friday AM: Elements of Worship Friday PM: Exercises in Spiritual Growth Saturday All Day: Pottery I have ALWAYS wanted to do pottery, so I got to fulfill a lifelong dream...I guess that was probably my favorite. Eric was a great teacher!! All three were great classes, though. > > Tell us about the concerts this year... Which was your favorite? Which could > you have missed and *not* missed? (smile) Bill Miller was definitely my favorite (I hope Andy doesn't read this!) Bill was incredible and if I had missed that, I would have missed much of what God wanted to do in my heart that weekend. Andy was great as well, and I really liked All Weather Human. And Ceili Rain. I don't know that I would have wanted to miss any of it, actually. > > > Did you stay on campus? Was staying there a pleasant experience? Was it a > good or poor deal for the money? We stayed in the dorm and it was great...can't beat the price > > Did you like the silent auction idea? Why/why not? I loved the silent auction...I would like to see more items next year. And I really like the idea someone had about having somewhere for donations as well. > Is Legacyfest still a good deal for the cost? Why/why not? Absolutely!! Where else can you go and get that much great music, exceptional teaching and just an all-around incredible experience for that price? > Registration: no problem or irritating? No problem at all...I really liked the Thursday evening registration. It was nice to just be able to go to class Friday morning without having to register beforehand. (I'm not a morning person!) > > > Ideas for next year: Workshop ideas? Workshop leaders? Musicians? I think Sara Groves would fit into the musical "style" of Legacy Fest, maybe Randall Goodgame (he has toured with Andrew Peterson), or Bebo Norman. PLEASE bring Bill Miller back!! > > > >>From what city did you travel to attend Legacyfest? Fairfield, Illinois > > > Any additional comments? Keep on doing what you are doing...and we will keep coming! ------- From: "Michele" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:42:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] A bearded Rich > If you've never checked out the pictures at Eric's sight, you should. > You can see all different kinds of Rich hair-do's. (Plus, the photos > are just great!) -- http://rwmullins.tripod.com/index2.html. Y'know, I've had this website bookmarked for YEARS, yet I never took a glance at the photos until you mentioned them, Robin? I'm glad I finally did. I especially like the ones with Rich laughing or smiling---I just smiled or laughed when I saw them. The eeriest pic, I thought, was the Kathy Morgan B&W pic of Rich walking down the road (it's in the "Various" section of the website's Photo Gallery). Looked surreal. Thanks again for the mention to this website! God bless, Michele ------- From: Virginia Kathleen Cailleteau Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:42:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] coffee and singing? that's how my voice teacher explained it to me in college - the caffeine in coffee (& soft drinks etc etc), as it mildly dehydrates the whole body, does so on the vocal cords, leaving them less flexible so that the singer works harder to make the same notes ... which over time can change the voice somewhat as the vocal mechanism adapts to adverse conditions. but - caffeinated stuff isn't all bad, if u have a wet cold and throat feels gooey one of the best things to do for it is to drink strong iced tea with lemon and no sugar - the caffeine and the tannic acid from the tea, plus the lemon juice, all cut through some of the glop to clean things up before singing :D ... i've had to use that tactic a lot :> ... had to finally add my $0.02 even though i didn't get to be at the workshop *sigh*, especially since i'm getting wound up on singing again cuz our symphony chorus (i'm a Soprano II) is starting up with a retreat tonight and tomorrow - yee haw :D ... anyway - Rich definitely sounds different from the debut album (let alone Behold the Man!!) to the new cuts on Songs or The Jesus Record. but it's so cool to hear, gives a real sense of his own changing and maturing from a 20-something (like me) to a 40-something, still tough and still tender but with those qualities balanced and blended in a totally different way that came across not only in his voice but in his writing as well ... way cool, and encouraging to me when i start seeing the first little shakings and tremors of change and growth in me and get scared that i ain't gonna like what i am in the end :D hmm ... that may have been more than $0.02 :D!!! anyways ... Be God's Va. Harris Whistles wrote: > > I don't believe that what you drink passes over your vocal cords, so it > must be a matter of caffiene generally leading to slightly dehydrated > state. - -- Virginia Kathleen Cailleteau lapensiera@home.com http://www.geocities.com/mlle_manon "...the new Jerusalem won't be so easy to build... but i see a people who have learned to walk in faith with mercy in their hearts and glory on their faces and i can see the people and i pray it won't be long until Your kingdom comes...the other side of the world" Rich Mullins, "The Other Side of The World" (Winds of Heaven...Stuff of Earth, 1988) ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:42:31 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy AloneTogether@Legacy I love memories of the fest The freedom I brought home, They search to answer, ãWhat was best?ä Iâm glad Iâm not alone I wish that I could share this gift That was bestowed, you see, For somehow in our spirit lift God showed Himself to me Together with His people, A peace and rest for sure A Church without a steeple A love that will endure I see a hope of Jesus now In all I pass and meet I know I cannot disallow His love to those repeat I somehow feel that Rich was there But in his humble way Remained outside the lime-light To watch God mold His clay To find myself alone with God In them, it was a sign Godâs own children, void faade His fruit, His branch, His vine ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... > Hey Everyone, Hey, Dom! *Chris waves to Dom* > I wrote you last week telling y'all I was new to the list. Welcome, once again, Dom! You're among friends! :) >Well, tomorrow I am taking my mom to the Dr's to find out if the tumor on her foot is infact cancer. I just ask that you keep her in your prayers and that if it is cancer that we caught it in the early stages. I've been keeping your mom and you in my prayers. What a scary time! > I will let you guys know as > soon as we find out what it is! How did things go?Please do keep us updated! This group of people is one bunch of terrific pray-ers! > Thanks sooo much!! You're welcome so much, Dom. May the Peace of Christ fill your mom's heart, and may it fill your heart, too. Love in Christ, ~Chris Count It All Joy! ------- From: sandy@drill-supplies.com Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:01:06 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] to Mary from Chicago [This is from Sandy McMullen for someone named Mary from Chicago . . . .] hey Mary, I can't believe I got away without getting your address! my Alaska photos are posted at http://www.walmart.com/agt/bounce.gsp?ID=4243x0m8w3zx8i076ct5 in case you might like to see them! - -SandyM- ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:16:59 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Fasting & Prayer Calendar - September 2001 Dear Wonder-full Raga-people, Here is a monthly group fasting and prayer calendar for the Ragamuffin and Tatterdemalions lists for the month of September: Tuesday, September 4 Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank/Native American Brethren Fasting & Prayer Day Tuesday, September 11 Ragamuffin List Members' Intentions Fasting & Prayer Day Tuesday, September 18 Artists/Bands/Kid Brothers Fasting & Prayer Day (Rick Elias, Mark Robertson, Jimmy Abegg, Aaron Smith, Mitch McVicker, Brad Layher, Cobra Joe Curet, Michael Aukofer, Dave Dibbern (of Appalachian Quartet), Eric and Britt Hauck, and let's not forget Jordan Richter of This Train! Add any of your favorite artists to your prayers and fasts this day. I know I'm adding Ceili Rain to mine. :) *Note: Mark Robertson mentioned not *too* long ago on the This Train list, that TT might possibly be recording a new album this summer. Let's keep Mark, Jordan, and the Cobra in our prayers!) Let's also remember all those in the order of the Kid Brothers of St. Frank, including Beaker (and his wife Julie and family). And please don't forget to pray for all the wives/children/family of the former Ragamuffins/Kid Brothers/This Train, et al. Tuesday, September 25 Pastors, Ministers, and Priests Fasting & Prayer Day Sunday, September 30 President George W. Bush and all our political leaders Fasting and Prayer Day *As Sundays are Feast days, you might want to fast on Saturday the 29th instead :) Peace of Christ to one and all! ~Chris Count It All Joy! chrisadler@tznet.com ------- From: Dommers18@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... Hey Everyone-- Well, to fill you in and update you about my mom... She has PVS, I believe it stands for Pigmented Venecular Syrosis. I can be way off on the spelling so don't kill me if I am wrong. Anyway, first off good news--its not cancerous and it is not a tumor according to the textbook. What it is is like a mass that carrodes the bone and kind of eats away at it. It is mainly found in the knee but also in the ankle, which my mom has. It is a very rare "disease". Supposedly she has had it for a long time and just didn't know it was eating away at her bones in her foot. So she is going in for an operation Sept 10th in a hospital about 5 1/2 hours away, so needless to say I will be on the road a lot for the three or so weeks she will be there (couple days for surgery and recovery and the rest for rehab) But who wouldn't do that for their mother??? Well, thanks everyone for praying for her and please keep her in your prayers, especially when sept 10th roles around. i appreciate it and I have said prayers for all of you for taking me in so quickly and being great support!! Love in God!! dom ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy - --- Bob Sullivan wrote: > > > > AloneTogether@Legacy Dear Bob, I read the poem, and I absolutely love it. I hope you don't mind but I printed out a copy of it. It brings tears to my eyes. Thank you so much for sharing it with us. Be God's Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:35:22 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts Gilda, I'm the other crazy lady in the Silent Auction, the one who bought the Dave Mullins bracelet of silver and turquoise. I waited til near the end to even go look at it cuz I knew I would want it and I wanted to see how high the bidding would go to see if it was even possible. The highest bidder was $140. I knew a lot of people had been making bids that were only $1 and $2 higher on other items, so I decided if someone was going to outbid me, they would have to pay kinda close to the $200 end, so I bid $185. It's a great cause. And it's a lovely bracelet. Unfortunately for Dave, his mother-in-law now wants one for C'mas! Now, Dave, maybe you could make a matching necklace for next year's silent auction! Didya Houston folks see that Eric and Britt will be in Dallas and in Austin during 10/13 through 10/21, including some weekend concerts? With Madison Greene, the Christian Celtic tribal kinda group. Methinks I may have to take to the roadways! My feet are starting to itch! Happy trails, Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Christine Adler" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Pastor Fasting & Prayer Day - 8/25/01 Dear Raga-folks, This is a gentle reminder that tomorrow (Saturday, August 25th) is our monthly day which we've set aside to pray and fast as a group for pastors and priests. Let's support our pastors with our prayers and such sacrifices/fasts as we are able to do at this time. No prayer is too short, no fast is too insignificant for the Lord to use! But, let's be as generous as we can be! If your pastor has email, it would brighten his/her day if you sent a note of appreciation. If your pastor doesn't have email, I'm sure a snail mail card would go a long way towards encouraging him/her. For those of us who haven't yet done so, it would be a *great* idea to give or at least to loan a Rich Mullins/Mitch McVicker/Ragamuffin Band/Eric and Britt Hauck/Appalachian Quartet/This Train (am I missing anybody? :)) CD(s) to your pastor. Pastors and priests like music, too! What a joy to serve the Lord with you dear people! Peace of Christ to each and every one of you! ~Chris Count It All Joy! ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts - --- jean greene wrote: > > > Gilda, I'm the other crazy lady in the Silent > Auction... > the Dave Mullins bracelet... > >Jean, I don't think you were as crazy as I was! After all, you actually DID purchase something of value. And, it was oh, so pretty. I would have bid on it myself, and the Rich Mullins pencil sketch, the Jimmy Abegg water colors, the "Because There Are No Grouses In Kansas" pheasant picture, the Tammy Pruitt bracelet - those are the things that most impressed me. HOWEVER, in as much as I wanted to bid on those things, I had to come to realize that I am just one person and that I cannot save the world single handed. I came away with what I REALLY wanted most - a deeper understanding of the love of God and His children being the hands and feet of God. That's not meant to be funny, I am very sincere. I didn't see the Rich Mullins pencil sketch until after I had committed to the T-shirt. It was so beautiful. Now that would have been well worth $300.00+, to me at least. There was some hesitation on whether or not they would put it out, though. By the time they did, I had already decided that, no matter what, I just couldn't afford to do any more. Now, if David's MIL would like to have a bracelet for Christmas, I guess he is just going to have to make her one, bless his heart. > Now, Dave, maybe you could make a matching necklace > for next year's silent > auction! Why stop at just a necklace? Why not make the whole collection and add a set of earrings to it, also? Pierced or clip-ons? > Didya Houston folks see that Eric and Britt... > YES, my dear! I did notice that! Ya wanna go? Pick a date, lady and let's book!!! Maybe we can get Teresa to go with us. What do you think, Teresa? Are you out there, peeking in? > Happy trails, > Part-Irish Jean Love to all. Be God's. Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... - --- Dommers18@aol.com wrote: (I deleted the message) > > Hey Dom, I am both happy and sad for you. Happy in the fact that your mom's ailment is not cancer, sad in the fact that you both have to go through all of this. Hallelujah for the fact that she is going to be okay. And Kudos to you for being the son that you are. I will be praying for you. Please keep us all informed. Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/25/01 Sandi: ...I was thinking of some possible questions, the whole idea of normalcy,...You know, some people aren't gonna understand [you getting out of the music business to go back to school]. They're gonna say, "Boy, if I could have one *dream*, it would be to do what you do, and here, you're goin' back to *school*!" You know, for some I imagine that's pretty hard to understand. How do you respond to that? Rich: Well, I think being able to do what I've had the opportunity to do is kinda like a dream. I mean, it really *was* a blast. But you kinda get to a place in your life where you go, "Yeah, this is fun, and this is somethin' that I'll be thankful for the rest of my life, but this isn't what my life is about. And this isn't who I really am." I mean, it's a part of who I am, I suppose. And I kinda see the whole music career thing as being God's mercy to students... 'cause I think I'm gonna be a much better teacher at forty than I would have been at twenty. And so, I think He sent me down this little detour, gave me twenty years to grow up a little bit more. And I think, now I'm a little more mature. I think I'll be able to handle being in a classroom. (He chuckles.)" [Later in the interview] Sandi: Where will you be teaching, Christian college, secular college? And what kind of coursework will you hope to teach? Rich: I'm hopin' to teach on an Indian reservation, K thru 12. Or, if that doesn't work out, maybe go to Central America or something. And I just want to teach... you know, I have *no* idea actually, where I'm gonna end up. I think I'm just gonna go wherever I get a big *chance* to go, 'cause that's... I don't think I want to teach college though, because I don't think I'm... I mean, I think I'm *smart* enough, but I don't think I take it seriously enough to be a college professor. I think you have to be really, you know, serious about your subject. And I don't think many people have an attitude about music like what I have, that are teaching in colleges. (He chuckles.) [Later in the interview] Sandi: Rich, it's been good sharing with you again today. And just as maybe a way of wrapping up, you seem real focused today, real at peace, and that's tough after all these interviews, I know. But, you know what I'm saying? Just in our conversation, just the sense of real... I don't know if you even know what I'm talking about or not, but just a real vision and a sense of focused-ness that maybe has not been as evident as it is right now. Rich: Yeah, I think I'm growing up a bit. I mean, like I said, I was given twenty extra years of kid-hood by being a musician. And so, I think I'm ready to get to some serious work now. And that feels good to me. (Sandi plays "Growing Young") [Source #1] ***** By listening to Rich's songs you might not realize that, as a teenager, he was a self-confessed cynic who "hardly had any fun." The kid who found something wrong with everything has clearly changed his tune. "There's a line out of G. K. Chesterton where he says how we hate monotony because we're not strong enough to exult in it. He says children kick their legs rhythmically out of an excess, not a lack of life. How do we know that all daisies are alike not because they have to be but because God never gets tired of making them? How do we know the sun doesn't rise every morning because God says, 'Do it again'? It might be due to the abundance of God's life that the universe continues without variance. Then he says, we have sinned and grown old and our Father is younger than we." For Rich, the wisdom of years remain as he pursues Christ's command to become like a child, reveling in wonder and taking the time to consider what is so often taken for granted. It is there where both the quirky and profound reside and a poet finds a place to participate in beauty. [Source #2] ***** Will You take me back now, take me back and let me be Your child 'Cause I've been broken now, I've been saved I've learned to cry, and I've learned how to pray And I'm learning, I'm learning even I can be changed [Source #3] ****************************************************** Source #1: WCBW interview by Sandi Brown, GMA Week, 1993 in Nashville, Tennessee, Aired on St. Louis Radio Station 104.9 - http://www.kidbrothers.net/interviews/wcbw1993.html Source #2: Article entitled "Rich Mullins: Humble Poet, Reluctant Artist" on pp. 10-12 of Calendar Magazine. It may be read in its entirety at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/calendar.html. Source #3: A portion of lyrics from "Growing Young", off the album _The World As Best As I Remember It Vol. Two_ -- Entire lyrics at http://www.kidbrothers.net/wabairi2.html#gy. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: Connie B Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request An update and another prayer request. As I wrote previously, my brother-in-law, Bill, passed away. The funeral was last Tuesday and it did not go well. Bill's side of the family were very hurtful to my sister and my niece and nephews. This was very difficult to deal with. I am praying for peace about this as I am angry at them and can't seem to let go of it. They were upset with my sister as she did not bury Bill in the cemetary they thought he had wanted to be buried in. Because of that, they aligned behind the girlfriend (my sister and Bill had been separated for awhile) and at the visitation and the day of the funeral, the tension was intense. The funeral director did all he could to not take sides. It shouldn't have been this way. This should have been a time of coming together. One of Bill's niece's in particular was the instigator. She was venomous. The girlfriend even had the gall to put a picture of herself and Bill in the casket. We made a fuss and they took it out after a few hours. But not before Bill's daughter (it was her birthday that day, Monday)was in tears. We tried to not say too much as we didn't want to make things worse but they made sure we were uncomfortable. I just don't know how to get past the anger. We didn't even join together after for a funeral dinner. They had one but none of us went, not even the kids. Later that same day, they were even more cruel. My nephew, Billy, had left my aunt's (where we had gathered) earlier than the rest of us. They contacted him and tried to convince him that the grave had not been covered. They had him believing it. He was already filled with much anger. This just made things worse. I could say more of what went on but suffice it to say that these people were just plain cruel. Please pray for my sister and the children and for me to come to terms with my anger. I need to let it go as it is eating away at me. I'm just having trouble believing that people can be so cruel especially at a funeral. It seems they would have been kinder, for the kids' sake. Thanks for praying. I am eternally grateful. Connie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:20:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy Bob, FINALLY someone as sappy and "drippy" and sentimental as I am! I LOVE your poem, brother! You're a hoot! Blessings, Paula "He will not crush those who are weak, or quench the smallest hope, he will bring full justice with his final victory." Mt 12:20 ------- From: Tina Eldridge Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request - --- Connie B wrote: > > > As I wrote > previously, my brother-in-law, Bill, passed away. > The > funeral was last Tuesday and it did not go well. > Bill's side of the family were very hurtful to my > sister and my niece and nephews. This was very > difficult to deal with. Connie - I'm so sorry to hear that things went to badly. Reading over the things you shared, I can - sadly - see this sort of thing happening with some of my famliy, too. There are a number of them on one side that would love to hurt others on that side and for what seems like really poor reason. As you said, too bad it couldn't have been a time of coming together as a family. You and your family are in my prayers. May His Peace be yours.... Tina ===== "...and there are things that you hold with your hands, things that you hold with your heart; I pray I could learn to tell the two apart..." - - "Kingdom of the Heart" by Mitch McVicker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request - --- Connie B wrote: > > > An update and another prayer request. As I wrote > previously, my brother-in-law, Bill, passed away. > The > funeral was last Tuesday and it did not go well. Dear Connie, I can sympathize with your pain. I have been to many funerals where the families were split over decisions made and/or hurt feelings. It is especially bad if there is no will involved, and I've been there too. When my ex-husbands uncle died, he did not have a family of his own, never having married. All of his nieces and nephews thought that his estate should have been devided amongst them. Instead Frank left his estate to his 10 great nieces and nephews, skipping an entire generation. It caused a great deal of stress among the family. I will pray for you and your sister. I know you're hurting, but, day by day the pain will go away gradually. May the peace that passes understanding be with you always. Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:45:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts >From: Gilda Medina >Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 > > > Didya Houston folks see that Eric and Britt... > > >YES, my dear! I did notice that! Ya wanna go? Pick >a date, lady and let's book!!! Maybe we can get >Teresa to go with us. What do you think, Teresa? Are >you out there, peeking in? > Okay, I'm revving up the motor right now! Sat. 10/13, I work at night so I can leave Houston about noonish or 1-ish to head north for Dallas. They're at Park Cities Baptist Church in Dallas at 7 p.m. Yes, Teresa, you must come, too! The next weekend, 10/19-20, Brennan Manning is speaking in Austin. He will speak on Friday night (open to the public free) and all day Sat. (fee of $10) (his books will be for sale at the church). The registration forms are now available at South Shore Church Office, 512-448-4900, fax 512-440-7398, or office@southshorechurch.net. He will speak Sun. morning at 10:00 a.m. at South Shore Church, 1920 East Riverside Drive inthe Town Lake Plaza Shopping Center. The Manning conference will actually be held at Redeemer Lutheran Church, 1500 Anderson Lane, Austin. I've signed up for the Manning conference for Fri. and Sat. I'm not going to stay for Sunday though (see below). AFter all, he's 70 years old and he was really ill for a while earlier in the year, so I don't want to miss him this time cuz he had to cancel his Houston conference last March. There's a hostel in Austin that's right on the south shore of Lake Travis, dormitory style (not as nice as Newman's but ok). Cost to join the hostel organization is $18 for a year, and the nightly rate is under $20 with kitchen privileges. [There's also one in San Antonio and 2 in Houston, none in Dallas. I've also stayed at the one in New Orleans. They're all over the US, but not in all states. If you travel around a bit, it's worth it.] They have a nice deck outside and it's all lawn right down to the water's edge. Great sunsets! However, that leaves Sat. night the 20th, it's going to be an awesome night at The Door in Fort Worth (changed from Dallas to Ft. W) at 8:00 p.m. THe tickets will be at least $10. The show is: Eric and Britt, Madison Greene, and Matthew Perryman Jones. Definitiely a must go! C U on the road! PI J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: Dommers18@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:45:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... Just a quick side note...my real name is dominique---female :-) ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:45:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts >From: Gilda Medina >Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:52 -0500 > > > Now, Dave, maybe you could make a matching necklace > > for next year's silent > > auction! > >Why stop at just a necklace? Why not make the whole >collection and add a set of earrings to it, also? >Pierced or clip-ons? > Whoa! I'd better bring a credit card next year! Now we're talking big bucks. LOL. Normally I wear pierced, but these'd be heavy, with all the silver and turquoise, so clip-ons would be better. PI J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts I am here Girlfriends.....Let's do this OK?....Texas ain't too big for my little CRV...and ya'll know I LOVE road trips... Teresa Oh Yeah!!!...they're gonna be here TWICE....They are gonna perform at The Door, in Deep Ellum....Jean, remember Aaron? He had performed there a few times before the Lord called him home. It would be a great way to go in without sad memories....They are also gonna be at this REALLY BIG fancy church...I went there for The Blessed Are the Broken Retreat last February, I always feel kinda intimidated by that place..... Soooooooo....let's just follow them ALL over Texas!! ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts - --- jean greene wrote: > Dear Jean, Do you think we should send a copy of this to David? After all, we're making big plans for him without him knowing it. Be God's Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] small prayer please... - --- Dommers18@aol.com wrote:... Dear Dom(inique), It doesn't matter if you are male or female, you are a family member in need of support. God bless you, and may He keep you strong. Be God's Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:38:40 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/26/01 "...God made man. He created him in His own image. He created him out of dust. He breathed into him the breath of life. Man became a living soul. He gave man sexuality. He created them male and female. And He gave man work. And I am just doing my work. I am not trying to write great albums. I'm not trying to write great songs. I'm not trying to do any of that. What I'm trying to do is be faithful. If I were a plumber, most plumbers don't say, 'Man I'm going to come up with the most original arrangement of pipes here.' But when you flush your toilet, if things go the way they should go, you are very thankful that the plumber was doing their job... ...But I think that part of our identity as human beings is that we have work, that we have things to do. And I am gifted as a musician. I am gifted as a writer and so I have to do that out of obedience. I am not gifted as a singer. I have a weird voice. I have a terrible speaking voice and when I sing its not as weird as when I talk so I should probably sing more and talk less. But, nevertheless, I don't like my voice even when I am singing and people say, 'Why do you sing then?' and I go, 'Because it is the most reiterated command in the whole Bible.' And I figure there must be a reason why it says over and over and over, sing sing sing sing sing. I also kind of go, this is a lot easier than loving my enemies so maybe I should start with the easy stuff and maybe by the time I am really old I will have been able to tie the more complicated knot." Source: 20 The Countdown Magazine Remembers Rich Mullins memorial tribute, October 11, 1997 -- found at www.kidbrothers.net/rmml/rmml189.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:38:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Legacy Fest Silent Auction; Texas concerts >From: "Teresa" >Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Texas concerts >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:54 -0500 > >I am here Girlfriends.....Let's do this OK?....Texas ain't too big for my >little CRV...and ya'll know I LOVE road trips... >Teresa Teresa, a woman after my own heart! Luv ya, girl! I've printed the maps out on Mapquest, and I've got AAA membership just in case. The concert at The Door in Dallas has been changed to The Door in Fort Worth; I checked the Door's websites (both Dallas and Ft Worth) last night and it is definite according to both of their websites. So it won't actually be the same place that Aaron performed, it'll be the one in Fort Worth. >Oh Yeah!!!...they're gonna be here TWICE....They are gonna perform at The >Door, in Deep Ellum....Jean, remember Aaron? He had performed there a few >times before the Lord called him home. It would be a great way to go in >without sad memories....They are also gonna be at this REALLY BIG fancy >church...I went there for The Blessed Are the Broken Retreat last February, >I always feel kinda intimidated by that place..... Yes, I was at that church at the February retreat, too. It is big. We can stop by The Door in Dallas maybe on Sunday and just take a look at it; that might help ease it a bit for you, or start the healing that way. Forgot to mention that the Haucks and Madison Greene will be playing on Sunday night at 7:00 p.m. at a church in Austin. I have the maps for it printed out, too. So back to Austin on Sunday. Then it's off to Austin again. WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it's a road trip!!!!!! PI J >Soooooooo....let's just follow them ALL over Texas!! > LET'S!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:38:40 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [Beggarman E-News 064] August 2001 Update Letter [webmaster note: Please excuse the tardiness off this post (which was supposed to go out yesterday). Still recovering from massive electrical storms Friday evening...] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eric and Britt's August 2001 Update Letter http://beggarman.net/news/letter_2001_08.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eric and Britt's newsletter - August 2001 Hello friends & family!! we pray blessings & peace on you as you read this letter and hear the latest news of our journey together...if this is your first update letter from us, then welcome to our mailing list! - and if you don't want to be on our mailing list, please let us know, or just toss this letter in the can!...whatever is easiest...either way, this is our attempt to keep y'all informed of our ever-changing lives. Since our last letter, life has been good and very full!...we have played about 40 concerts from the Black Hills, SD to Colorado, to Texas, and all over the Midwest. Our tour was complete with a motorcycle wreck, and we totaled our van hitting a deer in Wisconsin! - crazy, for sure, but it was a great spring, and God faithfully led us through all the miles. We now have a "Scrapbook" page on our website that you can visit at http://beggarman.net/roadpics/ and see all the pictures from our adventures on the road. NEW ALBUM!! - this past June, we spent the whole month recording a new CD! It was a long and tedious process, but the end result is exciting and fun to listen to. The CD is called "Fallen Deep" - which is exactly what happened when we met...The cd has 13 songs on it, and includes both of us singing lead vocals on different tracks, guitar, some harp, cello, and a whole band we brought in to the studio to record. It was britt's first time to record, and she did an amazing job. The cd is now done and is available for sale! there is an order form with this letter that you can fill out and mail in if you want. NEW BAND!! -- because britt has added soooo much to the music I (eric) used to play alone, we have decided to tour and record as a BAND and not just as a solo act - so we recorded this first CD together as a NEW BAND called Beggarman!!! we will be touring and performing under the name beggarman - so all of you who knew my music as Eric Hauck, can start looking for beggarman instead of just eric. - hope that makes sense...we even have stickers and T-shirts for the new band - fun stuff! Fall Tour!! - beggarman & madison greene - after some time off this july to celebrate our ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY!!! we began our fall tour on august 5. We will be touring on our own till mid-september, playing all the new stuff from the new cd. As we mentioned before, our old van drove her last mile this spring, and we will be hitting the road in our new super-duper tour mobile called "Gus" - he's a big red van with a high ceiling and tons of attitude. hopefully we will see you at one of our fall concerts and we can show you our rusty, rickety beast-of-a-van named GUS...we will be touring with another band this fall named Madison Greene - http://www.madisongreene.com - they are a tribal, celtic group that plays "aggressive, acoustic rock music", as they like to say. They are great and we are pumped to be on the road with them from mid-september through October. CD RELEASE PARTY!! - this AUGUST 25, 2001 at 7:30 pm we are going to give a concert in Cincinnati for the official release of our new cd FALLEN DEEP. This should be a blast, and ALL are invited and welcome to come. Admission cost is whatever you wanna pay, and we will have a full band with us that night....so please come and celebrate the new release that night at College Hill Pres. Church. Life Issues Institute 1721 W.Galbraith Rd. Cincinnati, OH, 45239 phone: 513-729-3600 website: www.lifeissues.org email: info@lifeissues.org Video Project - britt and I have mentioned before that we are working on a video that will use our song called "They Will Be Missed" from my last album "Dusty Little Feet". Our dream for this video is to incorporate interviews and footage from people around the world who believe in the fight for the unborn - and hopefully help educate people on the realities of abortion and it's effects on our lives. We have a few more shots to film, and then the editing can begin. It has been a much longer process than we imagined, but we believe this is a good thing, and are praying that God helps bring it to completion. Life Issues Institute with Dr. John Wilke is still receiving donations for the project. So if you are interested in helping out, please contact us. We pray God's blessing on you and your loved ones. Thank you all for your support of us, and please let us know how we can support you in prayer this fall. God is good, and we hope His amazing love of Jesus captures your heart more and more each day. blessings to you, eric & britt http://beggarman.net ericandbritt@beggarman.net booking@beggarman.net phone (512) 626-9233 ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page http://beggarman.net ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:51:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] re: [Beggarman E-News 062] Dates Hello and welcome to the Beggarman E-News =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Here's one last "update to the update" sent out a couple days ago, with a few more additional dates. As usual the complete list is also always online at http://www.beggarman.net/dates.html P.S. The Beggarman Store http://www.beggarman.net/orderform.html has been updated to include the new CD "Fallen Deep" and will soon be updated to include other merchandise (t-shirts, stickers, etc). Also the "Fallen Deep" Discography Page http://www.beggarman.net/fallendeep.html will be updated soon with lyrics, sounds clips, and credits (which would have already been there if I hadn't spent the entire day rescuing fried computers, and my own office Internet Router). 2001 =-=-=-= *** added date *** 09/02/2001 West Branch, MI St John's Lutheran Church 155 S Fairview 9:00am service 6:00pm evening concert Love offering For more info call 989-836-2678 *** added date *** 09/03/2001 Croswell, MI (home to the world famous swinging bridge at Love Your Mother-in-Law Park!) Crosell Community Center, 3:00pm Howard Street Love Offering For more info call Vicky at 810-679-3444 or Nancy at 810-679-9887 *** added date *** 09/09/2001 Neenah, WI New Hope Lutheran Church, 6:00pm 1368 Cold Spring Rd Free will offering For more info call 920-725-4354 *** added date *** 09/10/2001 Neenah, WI New Hope Lutheran Church 1368 Cold Spring Rd 8:00am and 10:30am services For more info call 920-725-4354 *** added date *** 09/13/2001 Chicago, IL Wheaton College Coffee House *** added date *** 09/14/2001 Chicago, IL WETN 88.1 FM, On-Air Interview, 8:05am Listen Live! http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/real/wetnlive.ram *** updated info *** 09/14/2001 Chicago, IL Wheaton College Chapel 10:35am chapel =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= for booking information or questions: e-mail: booking@beggarman.net or write to: beggarman productions, inc. 7060 greenfield dr cincinnati, oh 45224-1628 or call: 513-368-2999 ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page - http://beggarman.net ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:15:42 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] do you remember Dear Friends, Amidst the struggle, stress and strain of life, do you remember to allow yourself solitude...time to care for your soul? Henri Nowen called solitude the "furnace of transformation". Do you allow yourself time to be transformed? A year or so ago, I introduced a website to some of you, called Sacred Space (at www.jesuit.ie/prayer). It guides you through a 5-10 minute prayer session, in six steps (things like 'Coming into the Presence of God' and preparatory exercises) and centres on a short scripture passage chosen for the day (so it's a little different every day). The Irish Jesuits have produced it to help computer users to get into a habit of daily prayer. They've had over two million visits. Since most of us are confessed computer "junkies" anyway, it's a great use of your time... Praying you'll make time to take time... Paula "He will not crush those who are weak, or quench the smallest hope, he will bring full justice with his final victory." Mt 12:20 ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:15:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request > An update and another prayer request. As I wrote > previously, my brother-in-law, Bill, passed away. The > funeral was last Tuesday and it did not go well. > Bill's side of the family were very hurtful to my > sister and my niece and nephews. Connie, Just a note of encouragement. I am sure that many funerals are like this (most folks just don't talk about it). Death of a loved one brings out the best and the worst in people. Especially when there are unsaved folks in the mix. For that matter, saved folks can be pretty bad too. A lot of baggage between them and the deceased that didn't get said and should have. When my wife was home dying of cancer, her mom and sister were trying to pull her out.....I can't even remember why now, but at the time it seemed horrific to me. Wherever you find humans, you find sin. Just try to look at it through Jesus' eyes and see the potential of each one in Christ. Thank God He died for us sinful wretches. My Pastor Dave cracked us all up once when he was baptizing a baby. He turned to the congregation and said, "Are we all in agreement that this is a sinful little wretched and chuckled." Keep your skin tough and your heart soft. David Banta ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:15:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/22/01 > Estes Park, CO) With regard to Sharon's artist conference at Estes Park. If you have never been there, you must go! Of all of God's green earth, this place is postcard stuff. My memory of it (we went about 5 years or more ago....time do fly!) is laying on a huge boulder with my wife, Rhoda, overlooking the valley with large, puffy clouds against a bluer than blue sky. In the valley, a herd of fifty or so elk grazed on the grasses. Later that day we went for a hike. I glanced down into a stream about 25 feet below the path we were hiking on. Reflections of the sun starred on the clear waters. An otter rolled and played and was gone. The sky darkened along the way. "What's going on, " I asked my science nerd lover. "An eclipse," she replied. We approached a pine tree (or was it an evergreen?). To our delight, the filtering needles of the pine tree (or evergreen) created images of the eclipse that we could watch on the ground in a dazzling pattern...20 or 30 images. The Lord God is the ultimate artist. Peace of Christ to all y'all, David Banta ------- From: Connie B Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:39:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request > > An update and another prayer request. As I wrote > > previously, my brother-in-law, Bill, passed away. > The > > funeral was last Tuesday and it did not go well. > > Bill's side of the family were very hurtful to my > > sister and my niece and nephews. Regarding my prayer requests, I want to thank everyone on the ragslist who has prayed for me and my family and all those who responded with great words of encouragement. It means more to me than I can say. It is difficult to go through this and with my family not being geographically close, your words of support have been of much comfort. I feel God is already working to help me get through this and I am trying to pray for these people who have been hurtful. Thanks so much for being there. a grateful Rag, Connie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "rah" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:02:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request David: I loved your comment, KEEP YOUR SKIN TOUGH AND YOUR HEART SOFT. Ruth ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 06:36:08 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/27/01 "...This is a song I wrote, probably, you know, I had a kind of privileged childhood. I grew up sort of in a Norman Rockwell painting. The only thing that was weird in my raising was the Communist headquarters - you may not know about this (audience laughter). But the Communist Headquarters was in our barn (audience laughter). I don't know if you know how they populated when I was a little kid - I understood this perfectly well that the Communist populated their countries by hiding out in barns in Indiana and if you were late going out to do your chores, and you had to go out after dark they would snatch you (audience laughter), and take you over to Russia and turn you into a Communist, and I wasn't ever sure at the time what a Communist was but I knew they were bad (audience laughter). I knew they were scary, so I always tried to avoid going out to the barn for any reason, at all, because it generally, there was work to be done once you got out there (audience laughter). Which work has never been a big addiction of mine (audience laughter). That's I think how I became so religious (audience laughter). No, not the avoiding work part! Religion is in all in favor of work and stuff. But, the being scared of going out to the barn because I always was, because of the Commies, you know (audience laughter). So I would quote the 23rd Psalm all the way out to the barn several times. I could get it in about five times before I got to the barn and I felt fairly covered. Then on the way back from the barn I normally could get all the way to 'I shall not want. He maketh...' and then I'd be at the door and out of breath. So I think if you want to be religious, the key is to march straight ahead in to whatever scares you the most, and that will make you learn more of the Bible (audience laughter). You don't memorize as much when you're running as when you're walking fearfully toward the headquarters of the enemy. I had a great-grandmother that lived right next door to us. She was a great woman. She probably, if I think about who the person, you know, whatever spiritual director that might have had the most impact on my life it would probably be my great-grandmother, because she was really a wonderful woman and had a very down to earth approach to religion. She said bad words sometimes, and I loved that (audience laughter). That's why I always liked Christmas - because it was the only time you could say 'ass' in church (audience laughter). I used to sing that line out of that carol over and over again (audience laughter). But anyway, when she finally died, I realized how mortal we all were because everyone who knew my great-grandmother just assumed that she wouldn't die and when she finally did, it was kind of sobering. So I wrote this song not because of her death, but because I'm so selfish that when anyone else dies, I think about how I'm going to do that too someday. Unless I stay really lucky. But I doubt that that will happen, so that's how this song came about. [Elijah] Thank you. Now we'll do a song that I forgot to put on the last album. We wrote it for the last album but then we forgot to record it (audience laughter). So we ended up with only nine songs, we had to write a real bad one quick (audience laughter). I won't tell you which one that was (audience laughter). [We Are Not As Strong As We Think We Are] Source: The November 16, 1995 Anderson, Indiana (Anderson University) concert transcript -- found at www.kidbrothers.net/transcripts/anderson.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: Harris Whistles Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 06:36:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] coffee and singing? This converstaion reminds me how Rich would always have a Diet Coke with him on stage during his concerts. If he drank tons of Cokes off stage too, he may have been perpetually slightly dehydrated which might have done some long-term damage to his throat, but of course, I'm not a licensed pharyngesologist nor hydrologist. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: jennifer taylor Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:46:13 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Beggarman 8/27-9/10 Good Morning Starshine, The dates for the next few Beggarman opportunities are below. And should you like more details, then you know you should check out http://www.beggarman.net/dates.html . Except, you will not find out any info on the famous Love your mother-in-law Swinging Bridge. If you are like me, then you've probably got an itch of curiosity over that. You'll need to look up http://www.multimag.com/city/mi/croswell/ and http://www.greatlakes.net/~wmaitkin/swingingbridge.htm to find out about that. Okay, but the important stuff is below: 08/27-28/2001 Cincinnati, OH - recording in Cincinnati 08/31/2001 Florence, KY ; Reality Tuesday Cafe l 09/01/2001 Grand Rapids, MI 09/02/2001 West Branch, MI ; St John's Lutheran Church 09/03/2001 Croswell, MI (home to the world famous swinging bridge at Love Your Mother-in-Law Park!) 09/04/2001 Elgin, IL ;Kruse Barn, 7:00pm 09/05/2001 Elgin, IL ; Judson College, 10:00am chapel 09/07/2001 Green Bay, WI; Cup O' Joy Coffeehouse 09/09/2001 Neenah, WI; New Hope Lutheran Church, 09/10/2001 Neenah, WI ;New Hope Lutheran Church The prayer requests again for them are: 1. safety and success traveling in our new (but old) van GUS - 2. that God would give us a vision and guidance about HOW to use the platform he has given us with our music....what are the messages he wants us to communicate as we perform....there is only so much that can be said in a show, and we want to be God's vessels, not just blowing hot air....if that makes sense.... 3. Excellence with our new music and discipline to prepare,....with our new cd out, there have been soooo many details to take care of, and practicing music seems to be the last thing we have time for.,,,,so our prayer is for discipline to live in God's priorities.... 4. Unity and joy in our marriage....britt is amazing, and we know without Christ, our relationship would diminish...so we need him.... Father, bless Eric and Brittney as they travel over the next few weeks. Guide them in the ways you would have them go. Fill them with your Joy and Love so that it will shine and bring glory to you. Open the hearts of those they meet along they way. In Jesus Name Amen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:03:52 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy >FINALLY someone as sappy and "drippy" and sentimental as I am! I LOVE your >poem, brother! You're a hoot! Now if you can just imagine me running and twirling around the Newman University grounds will "The Sound of Music" in the background, you'll have it complete. ;) ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:55:26 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer Finally got my Bill Miller CD "Here our prayer" today! It is incredible, wonderful...close my eyes and the sun just set and I'm back there sittin' in the grass at Legacyfest. Check out Bill's web site. He does a nice job of promoting a deeper look into Rich and promotes the Legacy in his August newsletter. http://www.billmiller.net/index.html ------- From: "stephanie howard" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:39:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer Amen, Bob! One of the nice things about Bill's CD's is that even though they are not all CCM, they do all have spiritual themes running throughout them... It was pretty cool to see Bill and David Mullins talking at LF before Bill took the stage - was the closest thing to what I had imagined a conversation between Rich and Bill might have looked like...and will, someday. Stephanie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:39:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer Thanks for sharing Bob! I didn't know you could type in richmullins.com and get the Legacy page. Cool. Makes sense since the average person just looking for rich pages would not think to type in kidbrothers.org (or net). Jen ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: FraSha@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:39:43 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Beggarman CD Release concert I went to Eric & Britt's CD Release concert in Cincinnati Saturday night, and needless to say I was so blessed. I believe they did all the songs off "Fallen Deep," their new CD, as well as some from "Dusty Little Feet" and "Dying Dreams," including my favorite, "The Cry." I was amazed at Britt's talent. She sang lead and harmony, played the harp (Eric and Britt did a beautiful harp duet!!), the mandolin, and the bongos. She also played a tin whistle, I think. And of course, Eric played the cello beautifully as well as guitar and harp. He actually had a pottery wheel, and made a pot while Britt played the harp (as they did at Legacy Fest), and then sang "Have Your Way," a song about yielding to the Potter's design. They are both so humble and their love for the Lord and each other is obvious. Both Eric and Britt shared some wonderful insights between songs. It was a fun and uplifting night. It's so great to have Eric and Britt living here in Cincinnati. I can't wait till their fall tour with Madison Greene. Peace of Christ, Sharon F. ------- From: "Chris (French) Kramer - Braves Fan" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:15:02 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] voices I was wondering if anyone else did this... after meeting someone and talking with them, I can hear their voice in my head when I read emails from them (or just letters when I receive snail mail.) When I read the QOTD, I hear Rich speaking, when I read posts from Sharon F (especially), Danl, Robin, Paula and the others I met, I hear them saying the words. In my mind it makes the email less impersonal. Or am I just strange? c.c. ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:05:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Beggarman CD Release concert You do know that you are making some of us have to repent of jealousy don't you? :) But thanks for sharing anyway! Does anyone know if the pottery wheel is going to be a regular at Beggarman concerts now? I hope so. That was really cool! Jen-who should hear this week (hopefully) whether or not I get to bring Beggarman to my church. (and if so, I need to come up with a catchy Beggarman sig line, anyone got good ideas?) ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:05:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] voices >>I was wondering if anyone else did this... after meeting someone and talking with them, I can hear their voice in my head .....Or am I just strange?<< I do that too. And I also picture them once I have met them, so that makes it more personal too. Of course I tend to picture those I haven't met too and then have to totally revise that picture after I see what they really look like, since I am usually way off :). Whether or not the fact that we both do it makes you not strange, I can't answer that :). I can be pretty strange. Jen ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:33:38 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Dear fellow ragamuffins and tatterdemalions, Please pray for me. I woke up last night at apx. 4:00 AM in severe pain with a swelling in my right jaw. When I called my dentist, he thinks it may be an absessed (msp?) tooth. This didn't make me happy and I am a coward when it comes to dentists. So, I have an appointment for Wednesday morning and am worried about what he is going to tell me. Thank you. Be God's Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:33:38 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/28/01 [When] I turned thirty, I had spent six years in college and did not have a degree. I had fallen in love and was badly burned by it. I had bills to pay and life courses to choose. I was trying to keep my head while all around me the world was losing its mind. I was faced with the consequences of my many and varied adventures...and I was alone. I became aware of my smallness and my insignificance and the world again seemed full of wonderful and dreadful possibilities. All the beauty I loved looked away from me with a terrible indifference - an indifference that left me frozen and alienated. And one morning I was trying to hurry through my devotional time and thought it was fortunate that part of the reading was Psalm 23. I thought, "Oh I know this one well. I can skim it, I had this memorized way back when I was little and the darkness was so scary. I can pass over this quickly...." But I could not. Because there are scarier things than the dark, and in the course of our lives we grow out of one fear and into a million others. I could not pass over it quickly because all my sophistry and self-delusion was melted away by the power of this simple statement of faith that will not be outgrown - a truth that is bigger than the fears we invent of the confidence we affect: The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures He leads me beside the still waters He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil, for You are with me. Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies You anoint my head with oil: my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy will follow me all the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. I will probably outgrow many more fears. I have lived past the luxurious years of illusory self-confidence. As I grow, I go beyond those things and ever nearer to the truth of the 23rd. I hope I still remember it when I'm 100. Source: The article entitled "23rd at 32" in the Fall '91 issue of Release Magazine. You can read it in it's entirety at www.kidbrothers.net/release/fal91.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "stephanie howard" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:33:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer Amen, Bob! One of the nice things about Bill's CD's is that even though they are not all CCM, they do all have spiritual themes running throughout them... It was pretty cool to see Bill and David Mullins talking at LF before Bill took the stage - was the closest thing to what I had imagined a conversation between Rich and Bill might have looked like...and will, someday. Stephanie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Paula Clouse" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:33:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy Bob, I wrote: "FINALLY someone as sappy and "drippy" and sentimental as I am! I LOVE your poem, brother! You're a hoot!" and then you wrote: "Now if you can just imagine me running and twirling around the Newman University grounds will "The Sound of Music" in the background, you'll have it complete. ;)" I'm poking out my minds eye...ha ha Blessings, Paula "So I pray that God, who gives you hope, will keep you happy and full of peace as you believe in him. May you overflow with hope through the power of the Holy Spirit." Ro 15:13 ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:30:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] voices > > I was wondering if anyone else did this... after meeting someone and > talking with them, I can hear their voice in my head when I read emails > from them (or just letters when I receive snail mail > Or am I just strange? As long as the voices don't bother anyone else, yer cool! David Banta ------- From: geoff.horton@verizon.net Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:21:50 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer request Yesterday was a day when I think God spoke to me as clearly as He ever has--literally just this side of a basso-profundo voice booming through the speakers of my car stereo (as a matter of fact, I'm kind of afraid to turn it on now). For the moment, at least, the ragalist is fine; no Heavenly voices told me to get rid of my computer or anything. But I do have to start making some decisions and taking action, and some of the things I must decide and do are going to be difficult and painful. I earnestly request your prayers that I may see clearly what I am supposed to be doing, and that I may have the courage to do it. I know God rewards faithful obedience. But He's also really good at teaching patience . . . . Grace and peace, Geoff ------- From: "rholling" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:21:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/28/01 Robin: Thank you for choosing this particular RQOTD. Boy, does he know how to hit the point of our need ... over and over. I am thoroughly convinced that God continues to use Rich's influence in my life as in countless others' lives as time goes by. God has not wasted a thing. He magnifies and stretches and empowers - and impresses me beyond words. Count it all joy, Ruth ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] prayer request I have been getting emails lately from a very good friend of mine (sister of my best friend in highschool) for the last month or so about her father and some stomach troubles he has been having. They now know the cause. He has inoperable cancer. They found out today that it has reached the liver. This is part of what she wrote today, "At this point we are praying for either a miracle or to have him back - again- as 'the old Wayne' for a month or two so that family can come visit and make their last good-byes." Wayne is a Christian so they are not anxious over his impending departure for "home", but I am sure they are not ready to really let him go. Please pray for my friends, Mandy and Cathy, and their family as they go through this. Very interesting is that Mandy, until just a few months ago, was a missionary in Russia. She has been there off and on for the last several years and just recently was called by God to come home and work statesides for the missions. I am sure she is glad to be home now. Thanks for your prayers! Jen ~~Did you know that the Jackalope only sings at night? Maybe that is why the Appalachian Quartet is instrumental. Visit www.appalachianquartet.com for information on this talented group of musicians.~~ ------- From: Coats100@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] do you remember Paula, Thanks for the tip. It is a marvellous resource. Frank ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Gilda: > When I called my dentist, he thinks it may be an > absessed (msp?) tooth. This didn't make me happy and > I am a coward when it comes to dentists. I was tortured as a child by a dentist. We used to drink Coke (50's & 60's) so much I got hooked on it as a kid. Cases of Coke in the garage at my disposal. Most of the water I was drinking was not fluoridated, so I got a mouthful of cavities. Now I brush my teeth twice a day and don't consume much sugar. However! I have a Christian dentist who is a blessing. They distract you during shots and for the most part, the procedures are relatively painless (except in my head). I usually sweat pretty good. God is good all the time. If you don't have a "painless" dentist, pray for one. He'll find one for ya! Meanwhile, Lord give Gilda your strength to go through the "rebuilding" of one of your temple entrances and strip away her fear. May your mercy fill the heart of Gilda's dentist and may his skills be such that the procedures go quickly and as little pain as possible. In Jesus name. Amen. David Banta ------- From: ABugWorks@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:45:04 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Hi, all....I'm at a loss of what to say right now - there's a fine line in sharing your needs and spiling your guts... I will say that God's been doing some heavy pruning in my life since I got back from LegacyFest. To quote another Wayne (Watson, that is) "I'm growing and I don't like it .... and it hurts." Not liking the pruning process too much, but I know it's for my own good. Please pray that I will be attune to the Spirit and act when He says act. Also, to all of those who responded to Cabot - thank you. I'm sorry I haven't replied privately to each of you, but your words of encouragement and praise are greatly appreciated. And now I have another request - Cabot, as I mentioned, has cancer and very sadly and very unfortunately, the time has come to let him go. I so don't want to do this - he's been my furry, four-footed friend for twelve years and he's shared many joys and sorrows that I'm not quite sure what I'm going to do without him. Please pray that I don't weenie out this decision out of my own selfishness and that God will, as I know He will, fill the void and ease the transition. feeling very ragamuffin-ish annie ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:45:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer request Whoa....Now I didn't get a message quite as profoundly as you, or maybe it was and I didn't recognize it. Anyway....I suppose I need prayer as well. Maybe it is a time for refining, this past Friday, I was approached by my supervisors that I would be TEMPORARILY transferred to work at another branch of the library. This is definitely outside my comfort zone!!! I trust the Lord with every aspect of my life, and I guess I wasn't too gracious in the beginning. Lots of crying, not speaking to anyone, thinking I was being punished or put up for adoption. LOTS of feeling rejected. I am working through it slowly, so any prayers would be helpful. The transfer is supposed to begin next week and I have to stay until the end of the year. New opportunities to witness, blessings in disguise, I am aware of those things in my head, but my heart, where I feel wounded........ thanks for ear, or the eye....:o) In His care, Teresa ------- From: "Teresa" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:19:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Annie, I am so sorry to hear about Cabot. I am new to the list, and had no idea. What a difficult time for you and Cabot and your heart. The thought of losing my 'girls' always fills me with dread. I know the time will come, and I know that I will hurt excruciatingly, no doubt about it. There are three of them, and each will tear me apart. Yes, that is selfish, but I love them so much! My prayers are with you, and comfort will come, in time. Allow yourself to grieve, and let Cabot know that you are aware of his weariness, and assure him you will be OK if he needs to go on. (That probably sounds goofy, but we have done that with our friends in the past, and they seem to understand, really.) Much love, Teresa ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/29/01 In the studio Rich would say to me, "Don't make this too pretty." He didn't want to be sentimental. 'Hello Old Friends' says it outright: "Let love be stronger than the feelings."... Billy Crockett Artist Songwriter Former Member, Ragamuffin Band Source: "Rich Mullins: 1955-1997" in the November '97 Charlotte Christian News -- found at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/charlotte.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Annie, my heart goes out to you. I had to let go of two dogs in two years. One had been with me for 11-1/2 years; the other for 1 year. If I hadn't put them down, each one would have died alone and scared 1-12 hours later. I have fond memories of protecting my precious babies to the very end and being faithful and loyal, as they had been to me during their all-too-short lives. Each one had the hands and voice of a loved one with them at that final moment of consciousness, petting them and telling them how much they were loved. Peace of Christ to your soul, heart and guts. Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer on 8/27/01 8:39 PM, Jen Guyer at nyisutter@home.com wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing Bob! > > I didn't know you could type in richmullins.com and get the Legacy page. > Cool. Makes sense since the average person just looking for rich pages would > not think to type in kidbrothers.org (or net). Just another DANLNET.COM service ... rescuing all the richmullins domains from Myrrh! There are actually three... richmullins.com richmullins.net richmullins.org ___________________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@kidbrothers.org Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ___________________________________________________________ The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St Frank http://www.kidbrothers.org ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request - --- David Banta wrote:... Dear David, Have I met you? Were you at LegacyFest, 2001? Thank you for your words of encouragement, advice, and your prayer. I'm going to tell you that I claim the scripture that Christ said to his disciples; that if two or more of you come together in agreement over something, then He would be in the midst. Well, I'm here to tell you, when I woke up this morning the swelling was gone and I can actually touch the right side of my face again. PRAYER WORKS!!! I'm still going to the dentist in the morning, whether I like it or not. God bless you, my brother! By the way, where are you? I live in Houston, TX (that's just in case you haven't been reading about the Texas caravan here lately). If your dentist is ANYWHERE ****NEAR**** here, I want the name, phone number and address. Thank you again for praying. Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy on 8/27/01 6:03 PM, Bob Sullivan at bsully53@home.com wrote: >> FINALLY someone as sappy and "drippy" and sentimental as I am! I LOVE your >> poem, brother! You're a hoot! > > Now if you can just imagine me running and twirling around the Newman > University grounds will "The Sound of Music" in the background, you'll have > it complete. ;) with a Quizno's sandwich in your hand? ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page http://beggarman.net ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] prayer request - --- Jen Guyer wrote:... Dear Jen, Are any of us really ready to say goodbye to someone we love? I think of the last line of the song, "Elijah" - WHEN I LOOK BACK ON THE STARS, IT'LL BE LIKE A CANDLE LIGHT IN CENTRAL PARK, AND IT WON'T BREAK MY HEART TO SAY GOODBYE. It may not have broken Rich Mullins heart to say goodbye, but, it sure broke mine. And it breaks my heart, even now, to know that you are going to have to say goodbye to another brother in Christ even though I don't know him. Your friend, Wayne, is a Christian and is about to meet Jesus face to face. Rejoice in his good fortune and mourn your loss, remember all the things that made him who he was. We will all be together, someday. Love in christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:29:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] AloneTogether@Legacy Paula said: > "FINALLY someone as sappy and "drippy" and sentimental as I am! Robin said: What a GREAT idea for a QOTD! You'll find out soon enough. ------- From: Harris Whistles Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) Does anyone know the significance of Mitch's lyric in Buring the Fields where he says "Now I'm thinking about Bennett Drive, and I think about the Smith's living room"? Thanks, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Hear our prayer >From: Danl Blackwood >Reply-To: ragamuffin-l@geoffhorton.com > > > > I didn't know you could type in richmullins.com and get the Legacy page. > >Just another DANLNET.COM service ... rescuing all the richmullins domains > >from Myrrh! Is that Myrrh, gyrrh? LOL PI J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Larry&Vicki Gerdom" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now I'm not familiar with Behold the Man. What is it? - - Vicki > > Now that I think about it. The perfect bookends to Rich's career would be Heaven in His Eyes. This song was recorded on Behold the Man and he chose to record it on The Jesus Demos. It was the only pure Rich solo song on Behold the Man. ------- From: wbr028@casbah.it.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:Re: [ragamuffin] Rich-Then and Now > I'm not familiar with Behold the Man. What is it? > - Vicki Here's the info I've got on COYN. It's been a couple years since I prepared it, but it looks like most of the facts are straight. ***** While Rich was attending Cincinnati Bible College in the late 1970's and early 1980's, he became actively involved in an organization called Zion Ministries. Among his activities there, he was formed a band that consisted of him and three other vocalists as well as several instrumentalists. They were very popular among college students, performing throughout the Ohio area for various colleges and churches. The singing quartet performed together throughout the late 1970's and had informally recorded a number of their songs. Through a grant from his uncle, they eventually were able to get some studio time to record an album, and in 1981 released this lp, Behold the Man. As far as I know, it was never distributed through normal channels (unless some local stores in Cincinnati were selling them) and was mainly sold to concert-goers after their shows. It was a copy of this album that ended up in the hands of Amy Grant's manager who took the song "Praise to the Lord" and had her record it for her Age to Age album. It became a very successful song for her, and Rich went on to establish a friendship with her that led to his first recording contract and his debut album that was recorded at her home. The album is a group effort, and there is actually only one Rich solo on it. "Heaven in His Eyes" features Rich on vocals and piano, but all of the other selections feature the entire group singing or duets of the two men or two women. ***** Lyrics and sound clips can be found at: http://www.kidbrothers.net/btm.html Hope that's helpful! *Brian Brian William (brian@kidbrothers.net) Calling Out Your Name -- A Tribute to the Music and Message of Rich Mullins http://www.kidbrothers.net ------- From: KacieBGods@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) The house that Mitch grew up in Topeka, Ks. is on Bennet Drive. His parents still live there. But I don't know who the Smith's are that he refers to. ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) > Does anyone know the significance of Mitch's lyric in Buring the Fields where > he says "Now I'm thinking about Bennett Drive, and I think about the Smith's > living room"? One set of Smith's are the James Bryan Smith family. They are the parents of Madeline--the girl Rich wrote a song about--who died shortly after him (and who Rich said was his best prayer partner) . _Madeline's Song_ is on Eric and Britt's latest CD, I think. Although I don't *know*, I speculate that they must have lived on a "Bennett Drive" at some time or another - and that it is them Mitch is talking about. JBS was one of Rich and Mitch's professors (I think theology) at Friends University. I've wondered (supposing my speculations are right) whether it was written with pre- or post-accident things in mind. When it comes to things like memories though, I always figure sometimes the people *themselves* don't always have a specific thing in mind. You know how one memory leads to another, leads to another, leads to another -- and before you know it, you don't even know where it started. Case in point: Just a few hours ago I got a phone call. A friend died. We all knew it was coming, but that doesn't make it easier. So, I was out mowing the yard and thinking of him. And his wife and kids. And as always happens in times like these, once you get over feeling sorry for yourself for having to wait so long to see them again, you start evaluating your friendship/love for them. For me, it goes like this -- I think of fond, happy things (the little things that you took for granted all along; little niceties about them). That makes my miss them, so I start crying. Then I feel guilty for being so selfish and possessive (in wanting to keep them back here for myself, when they've got it so good). In an attempt to "not feel so selfish", I try to think of the REALITY of it all -- "This time is not so short in GOD'S eyes. This life it just a blip in time. It'll seem like seconds when *we* get there." Even though I believe that WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I realize it's just a "cover-up" for my feelings and emotions. Soooooooo, I think of another tactic to prompt a smile and joyful heart. HUMOR!!! That's it! Think of something regarding that person that was REALLY FUNNY!!! That'll bring a smile. (Today's "winner" was a memory of when Steve and I had known him for about a year or so. We knew he pretty well - at least enough to be comfortable around him.) He was a friend from our old church. His name was Lon, and he was the chairman of the Board. One day after church he came over to Steve with that "I want to talk to you a minute" look on his face. Steve thought he was going to ask him to take on some responsibility or something. But, no so. All Lon said was, "Steve, you are a really good-looking guy." I WISH I were there to have seen it. All I can do is go by how I *think* Steve would respond. But, for a *while*, at least, Steve wasn't *as* comfortable as he *had* been. Hehe, haha. I realize it made Steve uncomfortable, but he got over it. And it really impressed me to see this guy who could say something like that with no ulterior motives and not worrying about how it would be taken. He just stated a fact and went on with his life. I think I have just about gone off on every other tangent in the world besides the one you brought up. All I was getting at was that memories lead from one to another, and who knows what you end up with -- or where you started. After I stopped laughing about Lon's comment (and how Steve reacted to it), I thought of so many other memories we've shared. I was thinking "how do I tell Brenda what Lon meant to me". I thought, "maybe I could write a poem or something". Well that thought took an exit as soon as it entered. I threw it all out the window and decided to just let the memories be the memories, and let them come and go as they please. I suspect that Mitch had all kinds of thoughts in his mind when he wrote his lyric - even if it started with one thing. Isn't there a song discussion thing over at Suzan's unofficial site? Maybe you could check the archives. Love in Christ, Robin Woodson ------- From: Sharon S Wall Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:44:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request > I have fond memories of protecting my precious babies to the very > end and > being faithful and loyal, as they had been to me during their > all-too-short > lives. Each one had the hands and voice of a loved one with them at > that > final moment of consciousness, petting them and telling them how > much they > were loved. Annie, I too just went through this in June. I agree with Jean that it is a precious thing to get to walk them through the final moments of their lives...to be faithful to the end and to love without reserve. Honestly, I can't say the memory is fond yet, but it is very sweet. Something one of my pastors said that helped a lot... If you can say, as I could about my dog, that Cabot has been a gift from God in your life, then this is not an "end" but a COMPLETION of God's purpose accomplished through this beloved pet. He brings to completion that which He has started...yes? I will pray that you have such a peace and confidence in your decision and the "when" that there will be no doubt, no desire to "weenie out" because you're convinced it's best. And I will pray that the Lord will heal your broken heart...He does that you know! I'm still grieving my dog, but I have such a testimony of God's love to me through that whole time...that's His healing balm. In Christ, Sharon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. did you know.. for the most part burning the fields has always been number 1 on the song vote booth for chasing the horizon? http://www.freevote.com/booth/chasinghorizon ironically, mitch said if he had to pick a song.. and he can't pick a fav because they are like his children.. he would say his is "watch over me".. well that song has claimed the #2 spot on the votebooth.. but burning is hot with over 100 votes more than any other.. stay strong in Christ ~ suzan ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: "Keith, Amy" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) I just got baaack from two months and 15 states and a whole pile of email to catch up on! ;) I'm sad that I had to miss Legacy this year, but I'm hoping all these messages I have yet to read will contain lots of GOOD NOTES of workshops, etc. for those of us that were absent from class! But yes, Mitch's home is on Bennett Drive in Topeka and the Smith's are James Bryan Smith and family, as in author of the book, Madeline's dad, landlord of Rich's attic room and Friend's U. professor and chaplain. Welcome back to school, wandering students, staff and administrators! If any of you are in the Michiana area, I'll see YOU at Mitch's concert here in Winona Lake on Sept. 8! Ragahugs, Amy ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) on 8/29/01 3:53 PM, Harris Whistles at harriswhistles@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Does anyone know the significance of Mitch's lyric in Buring the Fields where > he says "Now I'm thinking about Bennett Drive, and I think about the Smith's > living room"? Hi Steve, Mitch's Mom and Dad live on Bennett Drive in Topeka (where Mitch grew up, not including Iowa, and where he spent a lot of hours "recuperating" after the accident), and the Smith's living room (as in Jim and Megan Smith, where they used to live, right around the corner from Harry's - the official Ragamuffin hang-out because that's where Rich used to hang out) is where he spent many memorable times, most with Rich and the Smith's. Mitch also stays with the Smiths sometimes (They've since moved) when he's in town (Wichita), and not staying with us. ___________________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@mitchmcvicker.com Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ___________________________________________________________ Mitch McVicker Web Page - http://mitchmcvicker.com ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] re: [Beggarman E-News 062] Dates Quick update to the Sept 1st date... *** updated info *** 09/01/2001 Lowell, MI (Grand Rapids) Christian Life Center, 6:30pm 3050 Alden Nash Ave Southeast Click here for a map http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/share?sdr8u0yeg0ldy8el For more info call Jonathan Walker at 616-897-1100 Thanks, Connie... ____________________________________________________ Danl Blackwood /\/\ http://www.danlnet.com/web.html Webmaster \/\/ Email: scatcat@beggarman.net Wichita, KS /\/\ VoicePhone: 316-721-7766 ____________________________________________________ Beggarman Web Page http://beggarman.net ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) - --- sawoodsy wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the significance of Mitch's > lyric in Buring the > Fields where if you haven't read it.. please go read the article mitch wrote about burning the fields.. almost more than the music i enjoy when he shares his soul about these songs.. so far he has done 3 with his fans.. the burning one is at http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/lyricdiscussionburingthefieldspp.htm everyone, please stay strong in Christ.. netscape is down a lot lately and it's a downer to my soul.. crazy to feel down about material things.. but it just makes me think evil has strong arms... suzan ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: Sail10531@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Guilty Lurker Hey Rags, Yep, I am a lurker, but I jut had to come out. :) I have been on the list for anumber of year now and poke my head out every once and a while. Over the last three weeks, I have been reading every drop of the ragamuffin emails I get. In the last, I have skimmed them for important or interesting information, but now I am READING them. See, I spent my summer in North Dakota working at a Bible camp and I loved it. Yep, I am a little ( not too much) old to work at a camp for the summer, but it was just what I needed. It was a stretching summer for me in many ways. One thing I know is that God has always laid it on my heart to have a very active faith. I mean even to the point of being a little ridiculous in the world's eyes. I have heard it all from my father-- "So how is that cult you're in?" "Don't drink the Kool-Aid." "You are going to work at a camp....Don't be stupid, Michelle." Well, I guess what I wanted to say is that since I have been back from camp, I have missed the importance of my faith in everything that I do and reading the rags list brings me back to that. I have just started a new job. It is my first "real job" if you want to call it that. I am a high school Algebra and Biology teacher. I have successfully made it through Day 3. It is much harder than it looks that is for certain. Please pray that in this time of stress and transition I will keep the main thing the main thing. I have enjoyed "getting to kºow" you folks. Thank you for your unconscious encouragement. Peace, Michelle Mojzak Gal 1:10 ------- From: Chrispf@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:26:16 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Sean (Niteshadey) Hi friends, I had a card recently from Sean's mom and she wanted to pass along their thanks to all of you who have prayed and sent cards! He is still about the same, but has gained some weight since surgery to insert a J-Tube which puts food right into his intestines. His stomach wasn't digesting properly (I think that is the right explanation of it.) And she says he seems to be starting to respond a little better but not on a regular basis. So I am hoping to go and see him again and see if I can tell any difference. She said they are still trusting the Lord for complete restoration of Sean's body and mind, and are trusting Him to act according to His will for them. Sean Kilbourn Danville Regional Rehab Center 255 Meadow Dr., Room 128 Danville, IN 46122 - --Christy ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:45:03 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] RICH GONE Hey Raggity peoples, I was listening to Brother's Keeper today and for the first time in a long time got choked up about Rich being gone. How there is no music for me personally that conveys with the same impact. Then it became clear to me that the disciples must have wept over an over at Jesus being physically gone from their presence. They had the Holy Spirit in a powerful way and that may have taken away some of that emotional impact, but still to have known Jesus personally. We saw Him in Rich. Look at those who have Jesus abiding in them. Soak them up. If we all allowed Jesus to abide in us and we in Him, we would have Rich....all around us. The point is to get yourself out of the way, like Rich did a lot....geez, he had such a sweet "Jesus" voice when he would talk about the Lord. We should all be talkin' that way about Jesus. Rich was a real disciple of Christ. Be one too. And Geoff, man, you listen to that voice and do what he says! Peace of Christ to ya, David ------- From: Harris Whistles Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:45:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. (Chasing >>From looking at the results thus far, I'm most surprised at how even the song ratings are. Even the bottom 2 songs are not that far out of the running. Also, I'm surprised that the song "Emmanual" is so near the bottom of the list, not that it's one of my favorites, but I figured they opened the record with that song because they may have thought it was one of the best ones, at least one of the best of the upbeat songs (assuming they'd try to open the record with what Rich might've called a "dance" song). (Rich called "Damascus Road" a dance song in one of his concerts I attended. I guess I'd never really thought of any of Rich's songs as dance songs.) Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: Danl Blackwood Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:21:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. (Chasing on 8/29/01 9:45 PM, Harris Whistles at harriswhistles@yahoo.com wrote: > > >>> From looking at the results thus far, I'm most surprised > at how even the song ratings are. Even the bottom 2 songs are > not that far out of the running. Also, I'm surprised that > the song "Emmanual" is so near the bottom of the list, not > that it's one of my favorites, but I figured they opened the > record with that song because they may have thought it was > one of the best ones, at least one of the best of the upbeat > songs (assuming they'd try to open the record with what > Rich might've called a "dance" song). (Rich called "Damascus > Road" a dance song in one of his concerts I attended. I guess > I'd never really thought of any of Rich's songs as dance songs.) As with all polls, you have to consider "who is voting" and "how many times they are voting." Multiple votes are allowed, aren't they Suzan? ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:21:43 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/30/01 (Political Prayer & Fasting Day) "What's a ragamuffin?" a young girl asked a friend before Rich Mullins & the Ragamuffin Band took the stage in Colorado Springs. I think that girl knows the answer now. Fighting off a flu virus, Mullins and friends put on a three-hour clinic on The Essence of Ragamuffinism. The audience learned three important lessons at this, the 25th stop on the 65-city Brother's Keeper tour '95. 1. Ragamuffins aren't obsessed with pomp and fashion. Mullins performed in a lavender T-Shirt and blue jeans. No shoes. No socks. He casually sipped a can of Diet Coke between songs - often between verses. 2. Ragamuffins share with friends. In an age when some artists demand - literally - how much of the spotlight should shine on them, Mullins is an anomaly. He graciously shared the stage with Arends and his other special guest, Ashley Cleveland...Mullins urged the audience to share as well - by supporting The Jesus Way project, an International Bible Society effort to provide a culturally relevant version of the scriptures to Native Americans... 3. Ragamuffins deliver the goods. Despite it's casualness - or perhaps because of it - the concert itself was first-rate. Mullins, who's now closing in on 40, seems more at ease with his audience than ever before. He sang with confidence and power - despite the flu. He deftly mixed songs from his latest release, Brother's Keeper,... ...Mullins invited the audience to participate on many songs, by singing along, shaking their car keys, even dancing. And how this room full of mostly white evangelicals did dance - just like a bunch of mostly white evangelicals. Imagine people standing board-stiff in a windstorm, and you'll get the idea. "You people don't get to dance much, do you?" Mullins noted. Anyone who's ever attended a Mullins concert knows that hearing the artist's wit and pointed comments is worth the cost of a ticket. And one could make a whole meal out of the sound bites Mullins served on this evening: After forgetting a few lyrics and flubbing an attempt at whistling, Mullins cracked, "People ask, 'How do you deal with ego problems?' I tell them, 'I do concerts.'" Waxing socio-political, he noted, "I used to be a Democrat." "What are you now?" hollered someone in the audience. Mullins didn't even pause: "Now I'm a dissident!" The crowd's laughter turned to cheers when he added, "Governments don't work, but you, you, are the light of the world!" After finishing a reverent yet soul filled "It Is Well," Mullins said emphatically, "Now *that* is what Christian music is all about." Mullins, Cleveland, and Arends closed the show with three hymns, leaving the stage as the audience completed the Doxology. As they praised God, "from Whom all blessings flow," all in the crowd no doubt realized that those blessings can spring from many sources, including an ailing pack of Ragamuffins. Source: Colorado Springs concert report, by Todd Hafer, in the December '95 CCM Magazine. You may read it in it's entirety at http://rwmullins.tripod.com/concerts/colorado95.html. ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:21:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Guilty Lurker - --- Sail10531@aol.com wrote: > I have just started a new job. It is my first "real > job" if you want to call > it that. I am a high school Algebra and Biology > teacher. I have > successfully made it through Day 3. It is much > harder than it looks that is > for certain. Please pray that in this time of > stress and transition I will > keep the main thing the main thing. I have enjoyed > "getting to know" you > folks. Thank you for your unconscious > encouragement. > > Peace, > Michelle Mojzak > Gal 1:10 Dear Michelle, God bless you!! I pray on a daily basis for all our teachers from Pre-K through 12. Not that our college professors don't need prayer, however, college students usually CHOOSE to be there. My prayer to you is that you can eventually say, "I made it through WEEK 3," then "Month 3," then... well, you get the picture. We need more people like you. High school is tough, especially these days. Galatians 1:10 asks a very important question - so, who ARE you serving? That's a good question for any of us to ask ourselves. Be strong. Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:21:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. (Chasing - --- Harris Whistles wrote: > songs (assuming they'd try to open the record with > what > Rich might've called a "dance" song). (Rich called > "Damascus > Road" a dance song in one of his concerts I > attended. I guess > I'd never really thought of any of Rich's songs as > dance songs.) > > Steve Dear Steve, I know A LOT of Rich Mullins songs that you can dance to. If you can keep up the paceand if you've got the stamina, "Creed," is excellent! Be God's Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:32:24 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Prayer request update To all that prayed for me: Thank you all for praying. The prayers were felt and are being felt, even now. My dentist tells me that my problem is a root canal that did not heal properly and I have to get it redone - - OH,GEE!! WHAT FUN!! It's either that or loose the tooth (ahhh, no, I don't think so). Oh, for the record, he didn't do the root canal. Please keep me in mind on your prayer list. It is going to have to wait until after January 1, 2002 before I can even think of getting it done. This has nothing to do with me being a coward! It's more a financial thing, now. Love in Christ, Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: gill king Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:32:24 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] off-subject Hi all! We just had the annual Greenbelt Festival here in England, which the Ragamuffins played last year (sweet memories!) This year we had Bebo Norman. Just wondering what anyone on the list thinks of his work. Thanks, Gill ------- From: Tina Eldridge Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:35 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] flood prayers... Hey all - Once again, we're in the midst of some nasty flooding here in south central Texas. It's been *pouring* all day long, and we're getting hit at a rate of up to 4 inches per hour, on top of the couple inches we've gotten over the last 2 or 3 days. I've had the local channels on (really all I can watch since the storms knocked out our satellite reception), and they keep breaking in with updates, and each one brings worse news. They just said that the creek that runs along through many local counties and is about 1/2 a mile from our house will almost certainly flood. This happened in 1998 and it was devestating to the area, the entire city park that we can see just up our street, looked like a lake and they're expecting something similar again. My dad works at an Air Force base a few miles away, and they closed it down within the last hour and he said getting home was a mess. We live maybe 1/2 a mile from the high school, and it was announced that all the students are being held there b/c all the roads surrounding it are closed - our street connects directly to one of those roads. As you can tell, we're right in the middle of one of the areas getting hit the hardest, but I'm trying not to worry too awful much since one of the first things we asked when we bought our house last fall was "did you get flooded in '98??", and the man said he just stood in the living room and watched the water run down the street, so in that sense we feel OK. I'm very worried, however, for my brothers who are at work and have to drive home in this mess. My sister-in-law teaches out here and my nephew is in a day care here as well and they have to drive 15 miles to get home. Please keep this whole situation in prayer, they say the worst is yet to come, tomorrow may be really bad as all the runoff from the Hill Country hits Cibolo Creek. Needelss to say Paul won't be making it to work, all the roads he needs to take from here to the highway are closed, and thankfully I don't have to work tonight either, so we can stay here with our kitties and just see what develops. Soggy Rag hugs - Tina ===== "...and there are things that you hold with your hands, things that you hold with your heart; I pray I could learn to tell the two apart..." - - "Kingdom of the Heart" by Mitch McVicker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: "Brian A. Smith" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Question about lyrics (Buring the Fields) - --- sawoodsy wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the significance of Mitch's > lyric in Buring the > Fields where > > he says "Now I'm thinking about Bennett > Drive, and I think about the > Smith's > > living room"? > > One set of Smith's are the James Bryan Smith > family. Actually, the line is about me... HA! Just wanted see who was paying attention. Brian (A. Smith) ===== "i know that the smallest stone can sometimes cause a wave to grow and cross the ocean and a little faith can somehow become the strength to move a mountain" Mitch McVicker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Prayer Request Hi Annie. This is a very trying time. My family went threw this about 4 months ago. Our beloved dog Daisy went to heaven. We had her about 10 years. She wasn't just a dog she was a friend and one of the family. We cried for 2 days. But we came to find out that as long as you keep them in your heart they are always with us. Greg juli Johnnie and Hannah. ------- From: "stephanie howard" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Guilty Lurker Michele said: first "real job" if you want to call I am a high school Algebra and Biology teacher. It is much harder than it looks that is for certain "real job" - don't kid yourself - it's a MISSION FIELD ripe beyond compare with challenges most of the world hasn't/doesn't ever get a chance to see I'm a jr/sr high principal - just read a file on a student yesterday whose real mom used to choke him with a wire until he passed out, he'd report the abuse to the school, the school would call the mom, and the cycle would repeat itself in various ways - like the mom's boyfriend raping the boy - he's 12 now and living with another adult. It's amazing the child is as positive as he is - could be in your Alg I class next year and you might never know the full background. Wow! But you might be the teacher who took an extra minute to ask how his day was going... yes - it's MUCH harder than it looks - and your impact is much greater than you can possibly know - is it a Rich song or a Mitch song "for the good or for the better"... Hang in there Stephanie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. (Chasing - --- Danl Blackwood wrote: > > Multiple votes are allowed, aren't they Suzan? >/ / absolutely.. i like green.. but somedays i want to wear white or blue or red.. i figure the same for voters on songs.. / stay strong in Christ ~ suzan ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: PREZOFMFC@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:19:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] off-subject In a message dated 8/30/01 6:32:33 AM Central Daylight Time, gak@bodley.ox.ac.uk writes: > This year we had Bebo > Norman. Just wondering what anyone on the list thinks of his work. I will come out of Lurkdom to say that I think he is a wonderful artist and I love his music. I have had the pleasure of hearing him in person and he is just great. nancy ------- From: Gilda Medina Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:28:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] off-subject - --- gill king wrote:... Dear Gill, I've heard some of Bebo Norman's stuff over the internet. He's good. Well worth seeing. Gilda sisragamuffin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: "sawoodsy" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:28:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Rich QOTD - 08/31/01 I have counted it as one of my life's greatest blessings to have known Rich Mullins, and have walked briefly with this man who struggled to be like Christ more honestly than anyone I have ever known... Those who knew Rich Mullins know that he loved to have some of his deepest and most focused discussions while going on walks. It was on such a walk on a humid night in Nashville in August of 1997 that Rich and I turned our conversation towards ministry. Rich shared with me some simple but profound thoughts on the subject. "Music is my occupation. My life is my ministry," he said. "Ministry is everyday. For example, how do I leave my hotel room when I check out? Do I leave dirty towels all over the place, empty cans on the floor? Do I leave the room destroyed so that when the maid comes in she thinks to herself, 'I am just a maid. My life is not important. I deserve this mess.'? Or do I pile my dirty towels in a corner and empty my own ashtrays? Do I clean up my trash so that when the maid comes in she thinks to herself, 'I am a maid. My life is important. I have dignity.'" Rich Mullins saw ways to share the love that Christ taught in the most ordinary daily routines and in so doing has challenged me to do the same. I believe that Rich lived as a pure example of what Paul described when he said, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain." Rich longed to be home. But he was determined to live as Christ taught while he was stuck down here in this mess. He had set up Kid Brothers of St. Frank to model the order that St. Francis had begun eight centuries ago and in so doing to model the life of Christ in a radical way. {Rich Mullins} always said that he was "too wimpy" to become Catholic and join the Franciscan Brotherhood. He took "unofficial" vows of poverty, obedience, and chastity. He limited himself to an extremely small monthly income and was generous with the rest of his money. He longed to know fully who he was in Christ and to increase his faith through his obedience. And he trusted St. Bonadventure when he said, "That heart is free that is held by no other love than the love of God." He longed to love purely... Rich Mullins has been given the ultimate future - he has stepped into eternity. He is walking clothed in radiance - rid of the skin that he wrestled with for so long. He has met St. Francis - the greatest influence next to Christ on his spiritual life. He is sitting at the feet of Jesus. I know that {Rich Mullins} is far happier now than I could ever imagine, but I am stuck in this world of gravity where it is often hard to stand. Rich Mullins would be about getting on with life. The call of Christ is fresh in my ears. I will follow that call. Source: The article entitled "Deeper Than Business," by Keith Bordeaux, 10/21/97, Christian Musician Magazine. Found at www.kidbrothers.net/articles/christian-musician-magazine-oct2197.html ***Support The Legacy of a Kid Brother of St. Frank. To find out more about the organization go to www.kidbrothers.org, or contact them at legacy@kidbrothers.org. ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:28:44 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Those Doggone Dogs That Are Gone Greg and Julie, Sorry for the loss of your dog. We had to put down our 13 1/2 year old golden, Robert a few years ago. We were both in the vet's office. He had to take us out the back we were balling so hard. We took Robert home in a nice Indian blanket and laid him on the kitchen floor and had the three cats pay homage to him while we moaned and wailed. It was hot and he go stinky pretty fast, so I took him out and he is buried in our back yard. There is a 4 to 6 inch sink hole where he is buried and every once in a while, Toby, new dog lays in it. Kinda cool. We both thought people should be handled this way when they die. Americans are so antiseptic about death. Kinda sad. I wrote a song about Robert: REMEMBERING ROBERT Chorus: You and me and God walking together, In the early morning hours, Just you and me and God, Walking and talking, I was barely awake with a wet nose in my face, Just in time to see you stretch and groan, With half-open eyes. I want to thank you Jesus, For the comfort of a dog by my side, A pat on the head, He will stay 'til the day that he's gone. There were lonely times, When I threw myself to the mercy of the Lord, Bob was there to wag his tail, And lick away all of my tears. Chorus All the squirrels that you chased And never caught, All the cats that caught your eye, You were a good boy, Bob, How you stayed and heeled, In spite of the call of the wild. Magnificent creature, Bounding like a deer, Flagging tail held high, Though I never taught you how to hunt, You brought a woodchuck To early demise. Chorus I think dogs are a good representation of how we should be with God. Loyal. Bad things happen. They are still your friend, no matter what. They fiercely defend the Master, at the same time giving a loving lick. Always looking to you for everything and following you like a shadow. God is good all the time, David Banta ------- From: "David Banta" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:28:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [ragamuffin] Guilty Lurker >I have heard it > all from my father-- "So how is that cult you're in?" "Don't drink the > Kool-Aid." "You are going to work at a camp....Don't be stupid, Michelle." I hope you still maintain some level of respect and honor for your father. Know that he will have some serious explaining to do when he stands in judgement befor the Father! > Please pray that in this time of stress and transition I will > keep the main thing the main thing You got it. Lord, please give Michelle your strength and vitality. Give her creative ideas. Flood her brain with the energy and spark that a teacher needs. Let her know as she goes through these trials that you are shaping her and strengthening her in Jesus name. Amen! David Banta ------- From: suzan mcvickerfans Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] travel prayer request.. mitch & Company.. Please put the guys, Mitch, Brad, Joe and Jeff in your prayers as they travel to PA this weekend. Pray for their continued strength and availability to Christ. Pray for their renewal and direction from their Lord as they seek His will. Pray that they will be guided and given the energy and endurance to continue on the path He leads them on. And pray that they are rewarded abundantly by seeing the fruits of their labors as they create a thirst. A thirst for God's truth in others as they travel their own journey with our Lord. A few links sept calendar and sept road miles.. http://sites.netscape.net/mitchmcvicker01/sept2001.htm http://sites.netscape.net/mitchmcvicker01/travelmilessept01.htm stay strong in Christ ~ suzan ===== http://sites.netscape.net/mcvickerfans/mcvickerhomeb.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------- From: "jean greene" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] Praise report; prayer request Praise report -- I went to my OB/GYN the other day, and my BP was 138/86. Much better than a couple of weeks ago when it was 171 or 178. He did a yearly overall physical, too, and everything looks just fine. He was very, very pleased. Thanks for all the prayers! Reading the subject line, I thought, now isn't that just like life? One thing is resolved and another comes along. Gilda Radner used to say, if it's not one thing, it's another. And yet God is good. Prayer request -- my OB/GYN told me that I have a condition called "ataxia". It is hereditary, or it can be caused by something else. He referred me to a neurologist for an MRI of the cerebellum, a part of the brain. Mine is most likely hereditary. The hereditary one is a genetic disorder involving muscular coordination and balance. According to an article I read, I'm in the very early phase of it, thankfully. I may be able to overcome the muscle weakness for a while with more exercise in the pool at the gym, and I'm back to drinking some coffee to keep me mentally focused at work. I'm getting a lot of rest, cuz it becomes very apparent when I'm very tired, like right after LF. I did fall once for no reason at LF, which was odd because it had never happened before, and when I'm really tired now I feel like my legs want to go in one direction and my brain wants to go in the opposite direction. One small study I read recently indicated that high doses of an enzyme called CoQ10, from the health food store, produced a 25% improvement in people with the severe form after a year, so I'm off to the health food store this weekend. This small study indicated that a deficiency of it could be the cause of the hereditary one. CoQ10 is also said to be good for heart disease, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease in general. I'm so thankful it was caught early. I go to see the neurologist on 10/12 and the MRI will follow soon after. The nuclear treadmill stress test is scheduled for 9/5, next Wed. That one should come out okay based on the physical exam from the OB/GYN. My doctors are all top notch, cream of the crop at the Houston Medical Center, and they're neat people, too, so that's a blessing. Thanks again, guys! Peace of Christ 2 u! Part-Irish Jean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------- From: "Greg & Juli Miller" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Those Doggone Dogs That Are Gone Hi David. This is Greg and family. A little more about our beloved basset hound. Her name was Daisy. We got her when she was about 3, from the pound. Johnnie my son was 1, he's now almost 10. when he was a toddler she was the best baby sitter. She would fallow him around the back yard dough ting and fussing over him. When he would go up the ladder to the slide she would stand behind to make sure he wouldn't fall the run around to the end to catch him with her body. Needless to say they had a very special relationship. Some say a boy and his dog but I think it was a dog and her boy. It was really hard on all of us when we had to have but down. We all balled. My only regret is I didn't try harder to convince my wife to let me bring her home also and place her in the back yard. Oh well. God bless you guy's. Greg juli Johnnie and Hannah ------- From: "Jen Guyer" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] one more thing on burning the fields.. (Chasing >>absolutely.. i like green.. but somedays i want to wear white or blue or red.. i figure the same for voters on songs..<< Just a suggestion. Maybe you could have voter booths that reflect a week at a time? People could vote once a week. Kinda like the top 20 charts in music. That way, people could change their minds, but it would more accurately reflect what is popular at any given time than allowing people to just vote as many times as they want for a song. Jen Forgiving means to pardon the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable, and hoping means to hope when things are hopeless. - -G.K. Chesterton / ------- From: "Bob Sullivan" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Those Doggone Dogs That Are Gone Sorry for your loss Greg and Julie. I had an American Eskimo named Dylan. He's been gone nearly 15 years now. I remember the time Dylan had broken his chain and had taken off. I had let him run free as I lived in the country, but he had found himself in trouble by heading into a residential area a couple miles away. And he also had to cross a highway in getting there so I finally began chaining him up when outside. (Can you tell I still feel guilty?) He broke the chain and was gone for seven very long days. I thought about him pulling that chain and getting hung up in the woods somewhere. I woke on the eight morning to find him curled up on the front porch, tired, hungry and very dirty. I fed him, washed him up and held him, joyous in his return home. The prodigal pup. ;) We both shared a favorite "trick". I would ask Dylan "Are we friends forever?" and Dylan would smile and offer his paw. We are still friends forever. ------- From: "Keith, Amy" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:03:24 -0500 Subject: RE: [ragamuffin] Those Doggone Dogs That Are Gone Whatever happened to Rich's Bear? Was there more than one Bear? ------- From: scatcat@kidbrothers.net (Danl Blackwood) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:26:02 -0500 Subject: [ragamuffin] [RichMailList 186]: 20Countdown/Release/Bear Whatever happened to Rich's Bear? Was there more than one Bear? Whatever happened to Bear? updated 13 Nov 97 I have received more than one inquiry as to what happened to Bear, Rich's dog. As many of you may (or may not) know, Bear had a canine version of epilepsy, and struggled in his later years with seizures. Though Bear often went with Rich on the road, as he got older (and the seizures more frequent) he often stayed with Kathy Sprinkle when Rich was gone. Bear died (naturally) a year ago last Labor Day weekend ('96), while at Kathy's. The seizures (and age) were finally too much for him. On a related note, the dog on the cover of Winds Of Heaven, Stuff Of Earth (1988 Reunion Records), though she looks just like Bear - is not Bear. I assumed it was Bear the first time I saw it. (Thanks to Kathy Cote for the following info.) That dog was Curry; Rich's first dog and "the Queen of Bellsburg" (Rich's house near Nashville). Curry died of old age about a year and a half ago, and is buried under a tree she loved at the house out there facing oncoming traffic (because she used to chase the cars - only the ones she chose - up and down the property line). Lara also reminds me (Doh!) that in the liner notes, Rich thanks "Curry for licking my chin at the exact right moments." Date: 8 November 1997 (updated 04 Jul 99) To: RichMailList From: scatcat@kidbrothers.net (Danl Blackwood) Subject: [RichMailList 186]: 20Countdown/Release/Bear ------- end of digest-------